Are people buying mac minis to run the models locally?
Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#462I'm predicting some wave of articles why clawd is over and was overhyped all along in a few months and the position of not having delved into it in the first place will have been the superior use of your limited time alive
I can remember at least since the 90s people were saying "Soon I won't even have to work anymore!"
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#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mere act of browsing the web is "write permissions". If I visit example.com/ , I've now written my password into the web server logs of that site. So the only remaining question is whether I can be tricked/coerced into doing so. I do tend to think this risk is somewhat mitigated if you have a whitelist of allowed domains that the claw can make HTTP requests to. But I haven't seen many people doing this.
Most web sites don't let you create service accounts; they're built for humans.
Many consumer websites intended for humans do let you create limited-privilege accounts that require approval from a master account for sensitive operations, but these are usually accounts for services that target families and the limited-privilege accounts are intended for children.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#464Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.
I think claws is a great name. They let the AI go grab things. They snap away and get stuff done. Claws are powerful and everything that has claws is cool. Some of this may be slightly satirical. (But I still think “claws” works better than “personal assistant” which anthropomorphises the technology too much.)
Claws are also potentially dangerous so it is a pretty apt analogy.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#465Can't we rename "Claws" -> "Personal assistants"? OpenClaw is a stupid name. Even "OpenSlave" would be a better fit.
> OpenSlave" would be a better fit.
Wow. Can we please not?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#466That’s one of the reasons we’re building grith.ai ~ these ‘claw’ tools are getting too easy for use (which is good)… but they need securing!
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#467> Bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend. Disappointing. There is a Rust-based assistant that can run comfortably in a Raspberry PI (or some very old computer you are not using) https://zeroclawlabs.ai/ https://github.com/zeroclaw-labs/zeroclaw (Built by Harvard and MIT students, looks like) EDIT: sorry top Google result led to a fake ZeroClaw!
Looks interesting but I haven't seen it discussed much yet. How did you find out about it?
Well it's mentioned in the tweet this thread is about
> Anyway there are many others - e.g. nanobot, zeroclaw, ironclaw, picoclaw (lol @ prefixes).
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#468One safety pattern I’m baking into CLI tools meant for agents: anytime an agent could do something very bad, like email blast too many people, CLI tools now require a one-time password The tool tells the agent to ask the user for it, and the agent cannot proceed without it. The instructions from the tool show an all caps message explaining the risk and telling the agent that they must prompt the user for the OTP I ha…
How do you enforce this? You have a system where the agent can email people, but cannot email "too many people" without a password?
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#469Excited to see and work with things in new ways.
It's interesting how the announcement of someone understanding and summarizing it is seen as more blessing it into the canon of LLMS, whereas sometimes people might have been doing things for a long time quietly (lots of text files with claude).
I'm not sure how long claws will last, a lot was said about MCPs in their initial form too, except they were just gaping security holes too often as well.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#470Are people buying mac minis to run the models locally?
They're buying Mac Minis to isolate the environment in which their agents operate. They consume little power and are good for long running tasks.
Most aren't running models locally. They're using Claude via OpenClaw.
It's part of the "personal agent running constantly" craze.