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Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by budududuroiu »

jszymborski wrote: post #190
handity wrote: post #87

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A hard fork doesn't matter when the vast majority of phones have a locked bootloader.

People give a lot of flack to the EU, but this is the sort of thing they would regulate.

The Italian digital ID wallet is already in fact banning GrapheneOS and other ROMs [1], the EU doesn't mandate that member states have to allow non-Android/iOS apps [2]

[1] https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro...

[2] https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-doc-archi...

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by budududuroiu »

Maybe stupid question, we keep seeing "LLM figures out math problem humans couldn't, LLM finds security vulnerability by looking at hexdumps for 6 months straight. How hard or expensive would it be to let some LLMs loose on reverse engineering all the proprietary driver binary blobs?

People mentioning forking Android is hard, how easy do LLMs make this?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #449
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #423

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Uhh yes - when 90% of adults worldwide have moved to smart phones - yes you are the Luddite. Email is for old people has been a meme for two decades https://www.techdirt.com/2007/11/15/email-is-for-old-people/

Anyone who says "email is for old people" is a fool, at least on that subject.

Yes, because “bigstrat2003” said so. I work for a 1000+ consulting company and no one uses email for internal communications. Even for company wide messages leadership uses Slack.

Heck even when we first start a project we either federate (or whatever you call it) the client’s Slack workgroup with ours or we ask to be on their Teams channel.

Before working where I worked now, I worked for the 2nd largest employer in the US, even there most communication happened over Chime or Slack.

On a personal level you actually email personal contacts - in 2026?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by torben-friis »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #459
torben-friis wrote: post #455

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I think people in power have realized the impact of misinformation campaigns. And to be fair, western countries have proved to have the resilience of a wet paper bag against foreign influence and private interests. I honestly can’t imagine a good solution here. A move back to the early 2000s internet would be the ideal middle ground, which requires separating social stuff from informational stuff, and both from engag…

> I honestly can’t imagine a good solution here. "just stop" is a good solution. Stop asking for ID, stop pushing for apps, just stop the general trend towards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification . Yes, misinformation is a problem. Deanonymization is a bigger problem. If you can't say anything anonymously, it becomes much more difficult to fight entities bigger and more powerful than you.

I agree, but that isn’t a good argument to offer to the entities bigger and more powerful than me.

Governments and companies feel a pressing threat of a trump-like populist overtake in each country. They need the bots, fake socials and slop stopped yesterday. An abstract degradation of freedom of speech isn’t going to cause pause.

There is a national security argument that I think is more likely to help, at least for non Americans. Do you want a foreign power to have control over your citizens phones being functional?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by heavyset_go »

dheera wrote: post #354
Aerroon wrote: post #339

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2FA is a requirement in Europe. I can't log into my bank account without my phone being able to run the app.

2FA and Google SafetyNet are two completely different things. Your banking app can implement 2FA without SafetyNet.

It's Play Protect and Play Integrity now, not SafetyNet, in case anyone wants to look it up

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by akdev1l »

rezonant wrote: post #267
akdev1l wrote: post #116

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You can’t really do that long-term as Google will change code that will not match however you are not enforcing this policy So at the very least you’d have to keep patches up to date. Long term divergence could be enough that’s it’s just a hard fork and/or Google changes so much that the maintainer can’t keep the patches working at the same pace I couldn’t read your link as it asks to join mastodon.social

Doesn't require me to sign in or create account...

I had the mastodon app installed and it was doing that. After I uninstalled it opened in the browser just fine.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by akdev1l »

cwillu wrote: post #448
Denatonium wrote: post #329

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The best solution for this is to buy a $30 burner phone at Walmart and use it unactivated, tethered to your main de-Googled device. You can use the burner for only tasks requiring Play Integrity. Make sure to leave one star reviews on all such apps that you run into.

Anything movement that requires people to routinely acquire a second phone is doomed to failure (in the “this will never become a mass movement” sense)

And if it is not “successful” then it’s literally making your own life more difficult for no real effect in the world

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mimasama »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #464
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #449

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Anyone who says "email is for old people" is a fool, at least on that subject.

Yes, because “bigstrat2003” said so. I work for a 1000+ consulting company and no one uses email for internal communications. Even for company wide messages leadership uses Slack. Heck even when we first start a project we either federate (or whatever you call it) the client’s Slack workgroup with ours or we ask to be on their Teams channel. Before working where I worked now, I worked for the 2nd largest employer in…

I email my dad documents and photos I need printed (and he uses his work office's laser printer). I forward the billing statement I receive monthly from my family's ISP to my mom via email. And I'm "Gen Z"

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by heavyset_go »

torben-friis wrote: post #465
JoshTriplett wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I honestly can’t imagine a good solution here. "just stop" is a good solution. Stop asking for ID, stop pushing for apps, just stop the general trend towards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification . Yes, misinformation is a problem. Deanonymization is a bigger problem. If you can't say anything anonymously, it becomes much more difficult to fight entities bigger and more powerful than you.

I agree, but that isn’t a good argument to offer to the entities bigger and more powerful than me. Governments and companies feel a pressing threat of a trump-like populist overtake in each country. They need the bots, fake socials and slop stopped yesterday. An abstract degradation of freedom of speech isn’t going to cause pause. There is a national security argument that I think is more likely to help, at least for…

The irony in this line of thought is that by stifling anonymous speech and enabling censorship, countries will usher in their own reactionary movements as dark money is globally spent on platforms to push paid advertising advancing reactionary rhetoric. It's already happening in the UK, Germany, France and Spain.

Right-wing populism isn't what's being banned here, it's dissent. Platforms are happy to take domestic and foreign fascists' money and push their agendas no matter where they are globally because it benefits them, too. Those paid placements aren't being banned, your ability to disagree with them and not be identified is.

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