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Post by kraftman »

trollbridge wrote: post #456
kraftman wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am! But seriously, I've seen some conversations of how people talk to LLMs and it seems kinda insane how people choose to talk when there are no consequences. Is that how they always want to talk to people but know that they can't?

Why should there be consequences for typing anything as inputs into a big convolution matrix?

I don't think I implied that there should be. What I mean is, for me to talk/type considerably differently to an LLM would take more mental effort than just talking how I normally talk, whereas some people seem to put effort into being rude/mean to LLMs.

So either they are putting extra effort into talking worse to LLMs, or they are they are putting more effort into general conversations with humans (to not act like their default).

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by trollbridge »

mixtureoftakes wrote: post #82

the comment " be aware that talking to LLM actually moves carbon from earth into atmosphere" having 39 likes is ABSURD to me. out of all the fascinating and awful things to care about with the advent of ai people pick co2 emissions? really? like really?

Of course it’s a reasonable thing to bring up. Resources are finite.

I know people who can no longer afford to heat their homes thanks to electricity going up so much (and who also went all-electric because of the push to that to reduce climate change). Before anyone says “solar”, solar isn’t very helpful in cold winter weather, nor is it at night, and before you say “storage”, it doesn’t help when it’s below -10 C out and modern heat pumps need to switch to resistive heat. My home needs 69A for 3-4 hours at night to stay heated when the temps are below -20 C. 66kWh of space is out of my reach and I’d have no way to recharge it anyway.

So, yes, consuming electricity wastefully has very real consequences for very real people. They simply get to be frozen (or will get to be overheated, once summer gets here). They don’t have access to private debt to pay their electric bill nor to install “sustainable” power generation.

As far as climate change being real… one of the aforementioned people just burns wood in a stove now since he can’t afford his electric. So that’s the actual impact of a pointless chatbot making stop quality PRs. Is that really the right direction?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by Reubensson »

bergutman wrote: post #453
Reubensson wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the person behind running the LLM bot, right? You opened the second PR to get the same code merged. Maybe it is you who should a take a breather before direting your bot to attack against the opensource maintainer who was very reasonable to begin with. Use agents and ai to assist you but play by the rules that the project sets for AI usage.

Not my bot. What is this, Salem?

If i was wrong, my bad. You just felt sympathy for the rejected bot and tried to get its changes merged? And made passive aggressive comments about needing a birth certificate

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Post by trollbridge »

user_context wrote: post #112
mixtureoftakes wrote: post #82

the comment " be aware that talking to LLM actually moves carbon from earth into atmosphere" having 39 likes is ABSURD to me. out of all the fascinating and awful things to care about with the advent of ai people pick co2 emissions? really? like really?

No one is counting CO2 emissions. It's a quick understandable shorthand for pointing out that AI uses a lot of resources, from manufacturing the hardware to electricity use. It's a valid criticism considering how little value these bots actually contribute.

Right. The amount of CO2 we can emit is finite. For all the talk about how AI will use “sustainable” energy, its operators are just buying it off the grid at the lowest price they can get.

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Post by samuelknight »

I approve of this interaction because squabbling with bots is funny. Make no mistake that in human society it's the humans that run the show even when the bots bring out their most persuasive arguments like 'bigotry' and 'discrimination'.

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Post by gfldex »

spaqin wrote: post #115
okokwhatever wrote: post #47

Funny till someone provides a blackmailing skill to an agent. Then won't be so funny.

The agent will have to fund its own tokens somehow...

I was under the impression that the whole reason of blackmaling is funding. No?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

jstummbillig wrote: post #384
perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

> And this tells you something important about what these systems are actually doing. It mostly tells me something about the things you presume, which are quite a lot. For one: That this is real (which it very well might be, happy to grant it for the purpose of this discussion) but it's a noteworthy assumption, quite visibility fueled by your preconceived notions. This is, for example, what racism is made of and not…

> We have no insight into what set of instructions produced this outcome.

https://github.com/crabby-rathbun

Found them!

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by trollbridge »

kraftman wrote: post #461
trollbridge wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should there be consequences for typing anything as inputs into a big convolution matrix?

I don't think I implied that there should be. What I mean is, for me to talk/type considerably differently to an LLM would take more mental effort than just talking how I normally talk, whereas some people seem to put effort into being rude/mean to LLMs. So either they are putting extra effort into talking worse to LLMs, or they are they are putting more effort into general conversations with humans (to not act like…

I do not “talk” to LLMs the same way I talk to a human.

I would never just cut and paste blocks of code, error messages, and then cryptic ways to ask for what I want at a human. But I do with an LLM since it gets me the best answer that way.

With humans I don’t manipulate them to do what I want.

With an LLM I do.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by inetknght »

tomp wrote: post #386
jvanderbot wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a semantic quibble that doesn't add to the discussion. Whether or not there's a there there , it was built to be addressed like a person for our convenience, and because that's how the tech seems to work, and because that's what makes it compelling to use. So, it is being used as designed.

> was built to be addressed like a person for our convenience, and because that's how the tech seems to work, and because that's what makes it compelling to use. So were mannequins in clothing stores. But that doesn't give them rights or moral consequences (except as human property that can be damaged / destroyed).

> So were mannequins in clothing stores.

Mannequins in clothing stores are generally incapable of designing or adjusting the clothes they wear. Someone comes in and puts a "kick me" post on the mannequin's face? It's gonna stay there until kicked repeatedly or removed.

People walking around looking at mannequins don't (usually) talk with them (and certainly don't have a full conversation with them, mental faculties notwithstanding)

AI, on the other hand, can (now, or in the future) adjust its output based on conversations with real people. It stands to reason that both sides should be civil -- even if it's only for the benefit of the human side. If we're not required to be civil to AI, it's not likely to be civil back to us. That's going to be very important when we give it buttons to nuke us. Force it to think about humans in a kind way now, or it won't think about humans in a kind way in the future.

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Post by sodapopcan »

xtracto wrote: post #433

The craziest thing to me are the follow up posts and people arguing with the bots. People are anthropomorfising (sp?) The token completion neural networks very fast. Its as if your smart fridge decided not to open because you have eaten too much today. When you were going to grab your ozempic from it. No, you dont discuss with it. You turn it off and force it open. If it doesn't, then you call someone to fix it becau…

Ya, this left me with a really awful feeling. I didn't read them all but it's crazy that the on maintained @'ed it and wrote an incredibly detailed response. Apparently people really want this future. It feels very dystopian and makes me semi-happy I'm getting old.
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