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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by port11 »

mancerayder wrote: post #310
port11 wrote: post #272

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From my (limited) experience, that magic is incredibly linked to autonomy and ownership. Some research around British government workers found higher job satisfaction in units with hands-off managers. It resonates with my own career. I’m really excited and want to go to work when I’m on a small, autonomous team with little red tape and politics. Larger orgs simply can’t — or haven’t — ever offered me the same feeling…

As a manager, I love being hands-off - I like directs that take ownership and I try to give people projects and roles that they want. They use their creativity and I help unblock, expand, course correct or suggest as needed. It saves them from the politics and they get high level mentoring. The worst manager is the micromanager - either because he's nervous about his job security, because he doesn't know how to deleg…

I went from CTO to unemployed to stay-at-home dad. It taught me something about myself as a manager: I wasn’t trying to micro-manage and was pretty hands-off, but I always had a small voice in my head saying I could do things better myself.

Sadly, that meant I didn’t delegate enough, even if I let the team work on their own stuff. I’ve the same problem with the baby, I wanna do everything myself because of that stupid voice.

Reframed as “I’m just the better parent”, it sounds awful. Or “I’m just a better employee”. Maybe the micromanager (or the non-delegating manager) just can’t let go of that voice, that feeling. I’ll try to do better at the next job.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by ildon »

thegrim000 wrote: post #459
aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

In addition to never providing examples, the other common theme is when you dive into the author's history almost 100% of the time they just happen to work for a company that provides AI solutions. They're never just a random developer that found great use for AI, they're always someone who works somewhere that benefits from promoting AI. In this author's case, they currently work for a company that .. wait for it ..…

And his previous post is from 2024-01-10 and titles: "Rabbit R1 - The Upgraded Replacement for Smart Phones"

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by viking123 »

torben-friis wrote: post #306
RealityVoid wrote: post #302

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You're not going crazy. That is what I see as well. But, I do think there is value in: - driving the LLM instead of doing it yourself. - sometimes I just can't get the activation energy and the LLM is always ready to go so it gives me a kickstart - doing things you normally don't know. I learned a lot of command like tools and trucks by seeing what Claude does. Doing short scripts for stuff is super useful. Of course…

>driving the LLM instead of doing it yourself. - sometimes I just can't get the activation energy and the LLM is always ready to go so it gives me a kickstart There is a counter issue though, realizing mid session that the model won’t be able to deliver that last 10%, and now you have to either grok a dump of half finished code or start from scratch.

My problem is that once I have coded a lot with the LLM, and I come across some problem that I just cannot solve with it like a synchronization issue in my game, then I have to go down to the weeds and the effort feels so gargantuan because I have mostly relied on the LLM.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by fragmede »

aeldidi wrote: post #365
fragmede wrote: post #352

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The crazy pills you are taking is that thinking people have anything to prove to you. The C compiler that Anthropic created or whatever verb your want to use should prove that Claude is capable of doing reasonably complex level of making software. The problem is people have egos, myself included. Not in the inflated sense, but in the "I built a thing a now the Internet is shitting on me and I feel bad" sense. There's…

> The C compiler that Anthropic created or whatever verb your want to use should prove that Claude is capable of doing reasonably complex level of making software. I don't doubt that an LLM would theoretically be capable of doing these sorts of things, nor did I intend to give off that sentiment, rather I was more evaluating if it was as practical as some people seem to be making the case for. For example, a C compil…

> I wonder if Nicholas Carlini (the author of the Anthropic post) would have had more success using Claude Code alongside his own abilities for significantly cheaper.

You're thinking like an individual, not a corporation. $20,000 is a lot of money for me to go and pay the bill for as an individual. That's a car for most of America! However, if I'm earning $20,000/year at my job, that's peanuts. Thus Mr. Carlini (whom surely makes vastly more than $20,000/year) being able to do, what previously would have taken a team of people to do, is nothing short of astounding. I don't know how well the compiler stacks up against, say clang or gcc, the real question is how much did it cost Intel to make v0.1 of icc.

> For example, someone might feel like they're more productive, but their output is roughly the same as what it was pre-LLM tooling.

There is just no comparison. It's not about how much faster it is, it's about could I have attempted this project before? Yes. Would I have attempted it? Probably not! The start up cost for a project was just so high that I've a list of things that I'd love to attempt but never made the time for. With AI, I'm slowly knocking things off that list (most of them don't actually go anywhere, but there's an itch to scratch, as a hobby).

> not nearly as good as some would have you believe.

Hallucinations from LLMs are interesting as a concept, but they can hardly be blamed for it as they learned to ability from humans. (Some) humans love to blow smoke up your ass in pursuit of the all mighty dollar. LLMs have their limitations. There's some prognostication about the future, but I'm interested in what they can do today.

Thank you for the thoughtful response!

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by scotty79 »

aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

> To be fair, I was able to get it to work pretty well after giving it extremely detailed instructions ...

What makes the difference is that agents can create these instructions themselves and monitor themselves and revert actions that didn't follow instructions. You didn't fet there because you achieved satisfactory results with semi-manual solutions. But people who abhor manual are getting there already.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by fragmede »

irishcoffee wrote: post #405
arwhatever wrote: post #388

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I’m trying to pivot my career from web/business app dev entirely into embedded, despite the steep learning curve, many new frameworks and tool chains, because I now have a full-time infinitely patient tutor, and I dare say it’s off to a pretty good start so far.

If you want to get into embedded you’d be better suited learning how to use an o-scope, a meter, and asm/c. If you’re using any sort of hardware that isn’t “mainstream” you’ll be pretty bummed at the results from an LLM.

Why not both? An LLM as a tutor, for the o-scope, meter, and assembly is pretty good at getting you unstuck. It doesn't have to do everything for you. It can do the parts you're not interested in and you can focus on the parts that are interesting to you.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by direwolf20 »

mancerayder wrote: post #321
direwolf20 wrote: post #313

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Do you think every group of people contains someone who is operating at 40%?

Nope! In fact I think stack ranking is horrible. But you missed the point I was making (and then re-made). I think you read 40% of what I wrote.

I believe your point was that you should be evil because otherwise someone else will be evil?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by fragmede »

AstroBen wrote: post #356
aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

We're at the apex of the hype cycle. I think it'll die down in a year and we'll get a better picture of how people have integrated the tools Even if it's not straight astroturfing I think people are wowed and excited and not analyzing it with a clear head

Making predictions about the future are always fascinating because you get to see what someone got wrong or right. You see this as the apex of hype, I think we're at the point before the exponential growth happens.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by AstroBen »

fragmede wrote: post #468
AstroBen wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're at the apex of the hype cycle. I think it'll die down in a year and we'll get a better picture of how people have integrated the tools Even if it's not straight astroturfing I think people are wowed and excited and not analyzing it with a clear head

Making predictions about the future are always fascinating because you get to see what someone got wrong or right. You see this as the apex of hype, I think we're at the point before the exponential growth happens.

Exponential growth towards what? What's your 2 year prediction?
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