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France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by irishcoffee »

alephnerd wrote: post #449
irishcoffee wrote: post #435

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> The adults in the room found a way to compromise and turn a zero sum game into a stag hunt and anyone repeating tired tropes like above is either extremely uninformed or a bot. If there were adults in the room in 2023, trump doesn’t get elected. The adults in the room bypassed a democratic primary. The adults in the room proffered up a candidate whose vote platform was solely based on “I’m not him!” Adults cut from…

Read my comment, and dig into the context. Also, who said the current situation is not something some of us so called adults are opposed to [0][1] [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43574128 [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44989996

I mean… respond to my comment and I’ll click those links and do the homework to give a thoughtful response to yours…?

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by anon291 »

bborud wrote: post #145
anon291 wrote: post #122

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Europe's main strategy these days seems to be blaming others instead of looking at themselves. For example, they blame America for their own issue of lacking tech companies, despite Europe taking credit for having fewer work hours, more 'equitable' societies, etc. They blame China for their own issue of lacking domestic manufacturing, despite their pride at having strong unions, supposedly good labor protections, and…

You are framing this as moral blame. It isn't about that. It is about strategic risk. Why would we blame the US for our own inability to build a viable software industry? Europe has been painfully aware for years that this is self-inflicted. The reason there is now serious talk about reducing dependence on the US is not resentment, it is risk. Dependence used to be a convenience. It is increasingly a liability. Trust…

Nothing about moral blame. Just what I read about online as reasons various things are happening. European leaders told India that it was the main reason for the Russian war. I'm sorry thats ridiculous. Europe is ridiculous frankly

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Bengalilol wrote: post #272
anon291 wrote: post #118

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OSS software is also mostly owned by the US. This entire thing of 'replacing' American software with American software under a different commercial model is so silly.

Could you elaborate? https://nextcloud.com/blog/press_releases/digital-sovereignt... > On a side and more general note: "Global Innovation Index 2025" "Europe hosts 15 economies ranked among the global top 25, including six in the top 10. Switzerland (1st) retains the global lead, followed by Sweden (2nd), the United Kingdom (6th) and Finland (7th). Thirteen out of 39 European economies covered moved up the ranks, ma…

The issue with these 'international'forums is that it's basically European countries tanking itself.

There's a meme going around online where it says "the world condemns..." On top and then a map of the globe with Europe and America highlighted.

Europe's issue is that it only considers itself.

Lithuania.. guys come on. And the Netherlands is not even in your list showing how ridiculous this entire thing is. As it goes most European lists of self congratulations are just moral rankings by their own standards

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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maelito wrote: post #143
anon291 wrote: post #118

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OSS software is also mostly owned by the US. This entire thing of 'replacing' American software with American software under a different commercial model is so silly.

The problem is not ownership. It's dev force. We're not bad here in europe, not bad at all.

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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by irishcoffee »

rootusrootus wrote: post #279
MiiMe19 wrote: post #97

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Almost as many, but not more than :)

Fewer than 50% voted for it, which means more than that voted against it.

Negative. I encourage you to go look at the election results.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by alephnerd »

irishcoffee wrote: post #461
alephnerd wrote: post #449

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Read my comment, and dig into the context. Also, who said the current situation is not something some of us so called adults are opposed to [0][1] [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43574128 [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44989996

I mean… respond to my comment and I’ll click those links and do the homework to give a thoughtful response to yours…?

I responded to your comment. If you cannot read between the lines that's on you.
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