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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by culi »

miki123211 wrote: post #454

This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

It's not really different from how we treat any other platform that can host CSAM. I guess the main difference is that it's being "made" instead of simply "distributed" here

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by _trampeltier »

pdpi wrote: post #456
moolcool wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

I'm of two minds about this. One the one hand, it seems "obvious" that Grok should somehow be legally required to have guardrails stopping it from producing kiddie porn. On the other hand, it also seems "obvious" that laws forcing 3D printers to detect and block attempts to print firearms are patently bullshit. The thing is, I'm not sure how I can reconcile those two seemingly-obvious statements in a principled manne…

It is very different. It is YOUR 3d printer, no one else is involved. You might print a knife and kill somebody with it, you go to jail, not third party involved.

If you use a service like Grok, then you use somebody elses computer / things. X is the owner from computer that produced CP. So of course X is at least also a bit liable for producing CP.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cubefox »

moolcool wrote: post #55
Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

> The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

Do you have any evidence for that? As far as I can tell, this is false. The only thing I saw was Grok changing photos of adults into them wearing bikinis, which is far less bad.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by [deleted] »

lingrush4 wrote: post #170
lowkey_ wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The child abuse feels like a smaller problem compared to that risk. I think we can and should all agree that child sexual abuse is a much larger and more serious problem than political leanings. It's ironic as you're commenting about a social media platform, but I think it's frightening what social media has done to us with misinformation, vilification, and echo chambers, to think political leanings are worse than…

In fairness, AI-generated CSAM is nowhere near as evil as real CSAM. The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child. It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by _trampeltier »

ilogik wrote: post #453
Playboi_Carti wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Car manufacturers are required to add features to make it less likely that cars kill babies. What would happen if Volvo made a special baby-killing model with extra spikes?

Tesla did, the main reason, why there are no Cybertrucks in europe. They are not allowed, because they are to dangerous.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by niemandhier »

gruez wrote: post #326
knallfrosch wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. Again: the threat is so clear that you rarely have to execute on it.

>fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. That's not a credible threat because there's approximately 0% chance France would actually follow through with it. Not even Trump would resort to murder to get rid of his domestic adversaries. As we seen the fed, the best he could muster are some spurious prosecutions. France murdering someone would put them on par with Russia or In…

In the USA they would be allowed to down any aircraft not complying with national air interception rules, that would not be murder. It would be equivalent to not dropping a gun once prompted by an officer and being shot as a result.

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by pdpi »

_trampeltier wrote: post #462
pdpi wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm of two minds about this. One the one hand, it seems "obvious" that Grok should somehow be legally required to have guardrails stopping it from producing kiddie porn. On the other hand, it also seems "obvious" that laws forcing 3D printers to detect and block attempts to print firearms are patently bullshit. The thing is, I'm not sure how I can reconcile those two seemingly-obvious statements in a principled manne…

It is very different. It is YOUR 3d printer, no one else is involved. You might print a knife and kill somebody with it, you go to jail, not third party involved. If you use a service like Grok, then you use somebody elses computer / things. X is the owner from computer that produced CP. So of course X is at least also a bit liable for producing CP.

How does that mesh with all the safe harbour provisions we've depended on to make the modern internet, though?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #53

> Prosecutors say they are now investigating whether X has broken the law across multiple areas. This step could come before a police raid. This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers.

I wouldn't even consider this a reason if it wasn't for the fact that OpenAI and Google, and hell literally every image model out there all have the same "this guy edited this underage girls face into a bikini" problem (this was the most public example I've heard so I'm going with that as my example). People still jailbreak chatgpt, and they've poured how much money into that?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by themafia »

miki123211 wrote: post #454

This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

Holding corporations accountable for their profit streams is "censorship?" I wish they'd stop passing models trained on internet conversations and hoarded data as fit for any purpose. The world does not need to boil oceans for hallucinating chat bots at this particular point in history.
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