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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by heavyset_go »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #178
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

No, incompetence is terrifying. No one wants to get caught in a machine driven by imbeciles who don't care about truth or honoring the Constitution.

Competence is also terrifying, but for different reasons.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by freejazz »

OhMeadhbh wrote: post #187
janalsncm wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we’re getting rid of the first amendment maybe we should also get rid of the fourth and fifth amendment too since they make law enforcement harder? I’m sure cops in North Korea have a much easier and safer job.

You only have rights you exercise. Don't let the cops trample on your rights. Though... this does seem to work better for white, rich, older dudes than for other people.

Thanks.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by ubertaco »

awesome_dude wrote: post #169
jatora wrote: post #150

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The whole premise of the second amendment is about citizens being armed in order to resist/overthrow a government

The text of the second amendment, as written, would seem to indicate that the premise of the second amendment is to arm "a well-regulated militia" (which was relevant to the government that adopted the second amendment, as it had no standing army).

It was basically crowdsourcing the military. We've been running through all the various problems with that idea ever since, including:

- oops, turns out not enough people volunteer and our whole army got nearly wiped out; maybe we need to pay people to be an army for a living (ca. 1791)

- oops, turns out allowing the public to arm themselves and be their own militia can lead people being their own separate militia factions against the government, I guess we don't want that (e.g. Shay's Rebellion, John Brown and various slave rebellions fighting for freedom)

- oops, turns out part of the army can just decide they're a whole new country's army now, guess we don't want that (the civil war)

- oops, turns out actually everyone having guns means any given individual can just shoot whomever they like (like in hundreds of school shootings and mass shootings)

- oops, turns out we gotta give our police force even bigger guns and tanks and stuff so they won't be scared of random normal people on the street having guns (and look where that's gotten us)

Honestly, the whole thing should've been heavily amended to something more sane back in 1791 when the Legion of the United States (the first standing army) was formed, as they were already punting on the mistaken notion that "a well-regulated militia" was the answer instead of "a professional standing army".

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by freejazz »

1potatonagger wrote: post #450
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #159

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Seems like citizens are the ones who need protection from law and immigration enforcement, considering the public executions we've all witnessed in the past week or so.

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Woof

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by ActorNightly »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #342
ActorNightly wrote: post #124

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>is the only defense. Or you know, the 2nd amendment. Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

Fed

Ah yes, there is the uncomfortable feeling deep in your gut that you suppress, but a part of you knows it can happen.

I hope you realize that civil unrest is coming. Maybe not in a month. Maybe not even in a year. But at some point, after Trump fucks with elections and installs himself as a 3d term president, and the economy takes a nose dive as companies start pulling out of US, peoples savings are destroyed, and states start being more separationist, you are gonna see way worse things.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by XorNot »

Eupolemos wrote: post #455
crystal_revenge wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination. It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible. Until we learned that they were.

Which claims? HN around that time was taking anything and everything and declaring it conclusively proved everything else.

I honestly have no god damn clue what was actually revealed by the Snowden documents - people just say "they revealed things".

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by heavyset_go »

Eupolemos wrote: post #455
crystal_revenge wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination. It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible. Until we learned that they were.

Until that moment, the general sentiment about the government and the internet is that they are too incompetent to do anything about it, companies like Microsoft/Apple/Google/Snapchat are actually secure so lax data/opsec is okay, etc.

Meanwhile, the whole time, communications and tech companies were working hand in hand with the government siphoning up any and all data they could to successfully implement their LifeLog[1] pipe dream.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

iamnothere wrote: post #31

I have seen anti-Signal FUD all over the place since it was discovered that protesters have been coordinating on Signal. Here’s the facts: - Protesters have been coordinating using Signal - Breaches of private Signal groups by journalists and counter protesters were due to poor opsec and vetting - If the feds have an eye into those groups, it’s likely that they gained access in the same way as well as through informa…

Also the current US government think it’s secure enough for their war planning!

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Post by actionfromafar »

CMay wrote: post #420
unethical_ban wrote: post #371

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Civil disobedience exists and does not deserve a death sentence. At least, while decrying civil disobedience, you differ from the administration in one important aspect: You think there should be accountability for police shootings. That's different than the ICE leader, the DHS leader, the FBI director and the Vice President.

From a sort of naive perspective it doesn't matter whether it's police or not. If you kill someone illegally, you should be held accountable for it. In many cases, whether it's illegal depends on how reasonable it was to do so. This is where it being law enforcement starts to matter even more. Law enforcement face a lot of violent resistance, so it can be very reasonable for them to see an uncooperative person as a s…

Yeah, the victim is investigated. Kill anyone evading arrest. Bring in the tanks.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by fao_ »

XorNot wrote: post #466
Eupolemos wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination. It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible. Until we learned that they were.

Which claims? HN around that time was taking anything and everything and declaring it conclusively proved everything else. I honestly have no god damn clue what was actually revealed by the Snowden documents - people just say "they revealed things".

Why are you asking here, versus going to Google and reading the original article from The Guardian? Or the numerous Wikipedia links that are on this page?
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