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I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by robinsonb5 »

urbandw311er wrote: post #431
PunchyHamster wrote: post #394

We really need some law to stop "you have been banned and we won't even tell you actual reason for it", it's become a plague, made worse with automated systems giving out a ban

Do we though? It’s an important question about liberty - at what point does a business become so large that it’s not allowed to decide who gets to use it? There was a famous case here in the UK of a cake shop that banned a customer for wanting a cake made for a gay wedding because it was contra the owners’ religious beliefs. That was taken all the way up to the Supreme Court IIRC.

For me the liberty question you raised there isn't so much about whether the business has become large, as whether it's become "infrastructure". Being denied service by a cake shop may very well be distressing and hurtful, but being suddenly denied service by your bank, your mobile phone provider, or even (especially?) by gmail can turn your entire life upside down.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by pseudony »

urbandw311er wrote: post #431
PunchyHamster wrote: post #394

We really need some law to stop "you have been banned and we won't even tell you actual reason for it", it's become a plague, made worse with automated systems giving out a ban

Do we though? It’s an important question about liberty - at what point does a business become so large that it’s not allowed to decide who gets to use it? There was a famous case here in the UK of a cake shop that banned a customer for wanting a cake made for a gay wedding because it was contra the owners’ religious beliefs. That was taken all the way up to the Supreme Court IIRC.

While I still object to them having a say in that matter (next thing is; we don’t serve darkies) - that is different. There are hundreds of shops to get that cake from.

But Anthropic and “Open”AI especially are firing on all bullshit cylinders to convince the world that they are responsible, trustable, but also that they alone can do frontier-level AI, and they don’t like sharing anything.

You don’t get to both insert yourself as an indispensable base-layer tool for knowledge-work AND to arbitrarily deny access based on your beliefs (or that of the mentally crippled administration of your host country).

You can try, but this is having your cake and eating it too territory, it will backfire.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by qcnguy »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #164
bastard_op wrote: post #108

I've been doing something a lot like this, using a claude-desktop instance attached to my personal mcp server to spawn claude-code worker nodes for things, and for a month or two now it's been working great using the main desktop chat as a project manager of sorts. I even started paying for MAX plan as I've been using it effectively to write software now (I am NOT a developer). Lately it's gotten entirely flaky, wher…

Have you tried any of the leading open weight models, like GLM etc. And how does chatGPT or Gemini compare? And kudos for refusing to use anything from the guy who's OK with his platform proliferating generated CSAM.

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Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by qcnguy »

urbandw311er wrote: post #431
PunchyHamster wrote: post #394

We really need some law to stop "you have been banned and we won't even tell you actual reason for it", it's become a plague, made worse with automated systems giving out a ban

Do we though? It’s an important question about liberty - at what point does a business become so large that it’s not allowed to decide who gets to use it? There was a famous case here in the UK of a cake shop that banned a customer for wanting a cake made for a gay wedding because it was contra the owners’ religious beliefs. That was taken all the way up to the Supreme Court IIRC.

That case was in the US.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by mg794613 »

Aldipower wrote: post #409

I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes,…

Euh, WHAT? I have a very abusive relationship with my AI's because they're hyperconfident and very little skill/understanding.

Not once have I been reprimanded in any way. And if anyone would be, it would be me.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by fragmede »

pseudony wrote: post #462
urbandw311er wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we though? It’s an important question about liberty - at what point does a business become so large that it’s not allowed to decide who gets to use it? There was a famous case here in the UK of a cake shop that banned a customer for wanting a cake made for a gay wedding because it was contra the owners’ religious beliefs. That was taken all the way up to the Supreme Court IIRC.

While I still object to them having a say in that matter (next thing is; we don’t serve darkies) - that is different. There are hundreds of shops to get that cake from. But Anthropic and “Open”AI especially are firing on all bullshit cylinders to convince the world that they are responsible, trustable, but also that they alone can do frontier-level AI, and they don’t like sharing anything. You don’t get to both inser…

The Catholic Church has been doing this for hundreds of years. I'm sure it'll eventually backfire on them, but I doubt any of us will still be alive for that.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by Aldipower »

mg794613 wrote: post #466
Aldipower wrote: post #409

I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes,…

Euh, WHAT? I have a very abusive relationship with my AI's because they're hyperconfident and very little skill/understanding. Not once have I been reprimanded in any way. And if anyone would be, it would be me.

I cannot tell why I was kicked this time. I swear before too to GPT and never was kicked, so I was quite surprised.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by user34283 »

Aldipower wrote: post #409

I was recently kicked out from ChatGPT because I wrote "a*hole" in a context where ChatGPT constantly kept repeating nonsense! I find the ban by OpenAI to be very intrusive. Remember, ChatGPT is a machine! And I did not hurt any sentient being with my statement, nor was the GPT chat public. As long as I do not hurt any feeling beings with my thoughts, I can do whatever I want, can't I? After all, as the saying goes,…

That is one of the reasons why I think X's Grok, while perhaps not state of the art, is an important option to have.

Out of OpenAI, Anthropic, or Google, it is the only provider that I trust not to erroneously flag harmless content.

It is also the only provider out of those that permits use for legal adult content.

There have been controversies over it, resulting in some people, often of a certain political orientation, calling for a ban or censorship.

What comes to mind is an incident where an unwise adjustment of the system prompt has resulted in misalignment: the "Mecha Hitler" incident. The worst of it has been patched within hours, and better alignment was achieved in a few days. Harm done? Negligible, in my opinion.

Recently there's been another scandal about nonconsensual explicit images, supposedly even involving minors, but the true extend of the issue, safety measures in place, and reaction to reports is unclear. Maybe there, actual harm has occured.

However, placing blame on the tool for illegal acts, that anyone with a half decent GPU could have more easily done offline, does not seem particularly reasonable to me - especially if safety measures were in place, and additional steps have been taken to fix workarounds.

I don't trust big tech, who have shown time and time again that they prioritize only their bottom line. They will always permaban your account at the slightest automated indication of risk, and they will not hire adequate support staff.

We have seen that for years with the Google Playstore. You are coerced into paying 30% of your revenue, yet are treated like a free account with no real support. They are shameless.

Re: I was banned from Claude for scaffolding a Claude.md file?

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Post by Aeolun »

bastard_op wrote: post #108

I've been doing something a lot like this, using a claude-desktop instance attached to my personal mcp server to spawn claude-code worker nodes for things, and for a month or two now it's been working great using the main desktop chat as a project manager of sorts. I even started paying for MAX plan as I've been using it effectively to write software now (I am NOT a developer). Lately it's gotten entirely flaky, wher…

I really don’t understand people that say claude has no human support. In the worst case the human version of their support got back to me two day after the AI, and they apologized for being so slow.

It really leads me to wonder if it’s just my questions that are easy, or maybe the tone of the support requests that go unanswered is just completely different.

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