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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

acomjean wrote: post #413
inlined wrote: post #405

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There was a coffee shop ages ago in SF that would every few hours play a cacophony (e.g. multiple songs at once). I assume it was to drive away people camping on their laptops to rotate tables. Understand but super annoying to people like me who had a timer to but food or drink no less than hourly to be a good citizen

We had a friend who would play Metal when the ice cream store he worked at was closed but the customers were lingering too long. It generally worked, as he was immune.

I was at a coffee shop once that was playing metal while my writing group was meeting there and I just thought they had excellent taste (it was not near closing time)

Re: STFU

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Post by slobotron »

lostlogin wrote: post #453
tom_ wrote: post #452

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It's the noise you hear at about the one minute mark when the digger is reversing: https://youtu.be/BljL3XO0fyg?t=59 Actual cri du lynx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsdVQWGibQ

Oh this is horrible. We don’t want people run over by reversing vehicles, but also, if I had to listen to that every day, I’d leap in front of them.

IMO, in person it's much nicer on the ears than the old single-tone beep that they used to have. It's less jarring and easier to locate where the noise is coming from, ye olde beep seemed to come from everywhere at once.

Re: STFU

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Post by bigiain »

lostlogin wrote: post #441
nailer wrote: post #371

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I have do idea about DC but I don't trust crime rate stats - a lot might be unreported. In NYC last year someone burnt someone else to death while they sat, relaxed and watched, and in a seperate incident a person died died and someone else had sex with them afterwards. It could that be crime is lower or it could be that insane brutality has become normalized.

Crimes stats famously get massaged. However murders are hard to downgrade.

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Re: STFU

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Post by getdoneist »

Spooky23 wrote: post #302
xattt wrote: post #174

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How do you deal with the small possibility that the offending person is unhinged (since they’ve already chosen to throw out societal mores out the window) and could physically hurt you?

It’s a two-way street. I used to have to deal with unhinged people on the regular and one of the techniques that keep the peace and stay safe is to present an edge that gives the vibe that you may be more unhinged. My dad used to run housing projects, and my uncle was an assistant principal at one of the most violent schools in New York City. They were like Jedi masters of presence. They had stories that were absolut…

It is pure game theory. An aggressive person expects no bad outcomes from his passive victim. If they get a signal that their own outcome may be not that good, even marginally, this very often changes their behaviour.

That's why the advice to act submissively presented as "avoiding confrontation" is often the wrong advice.

You are not seeking confrontation, but you should signal that you are ready for confrontation. Stops aggressive behaviour very often.

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Post by johnisgood »

echelon_musk wrote: post #423
Spooky23 wrote: post #302

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It’s a two-way street. I used to have to deal with unhinged people on the regular and one of the techniques that keep the peace and stay safe is to present an edge that gives the vibe that you may be more unhinged. My dad used to run housing projects, and my uncle was an assistant principal at one of the most violent schools in New York City. They were like Jedi masters of presence. They had stories that were absolut…

> They had stories that were absolutely insane. Don't leave us hanging.

Yes, please give us some!

Re: STFU

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Post by tintor »

delfinom wrote: post #256
maximilianroos wrote: post #252

I'm all for building apps to solve problems, but I would really encourage folks to ask people politely to do what you want them to do, rather than having an app do it for you. You can just ask people for things! And you will become a better person for it.

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What is impressive in the video is two guys stepping in to help.

Re: STFU

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Post by chickensong »

calmbonsai wrote: post #392
mlfreeman wrote: post #141

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In potentially-dangerous-animal country (e.g. grizzly bears, mountain lions, etc), it could be a safety mechanism...I was told repeatedly you need to make some kind of distinctive noise regularly so they won't get startled by you rounding a bend.

That's what "bear bells" are for...in bear country. Mountain lions are avoidant at all times unless it's a mother with cubs and even then they'll let you know well in advance. Otherwise, just normal conversation, your smell with even a light breeze, and the vibrations on-trail will alert all animals to your presence. In other words, the "trail music" theory is bullshit. They just want to listen to their music.

Bear bells have been shown to not be effective.

Re: STFU

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Post by xp84 »

onethought wrote: post #458
stavros wrote: post #415

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Plus devices are tinny and grate. Watching a video on the phone of someone speaking is much more annoying than someone speaking in person, even at the same volume.

I think this is the only meaningful point being made in this thread. The sound from a phone speaker is annoying, more so, than a typical in person talking. To me the solution lies somewhere in fixing that to make it sound more natural. Everyone else claiming that some how having “loud” conversation is rude, feels like they’ve fallen into some anti-social hole… we are literally the only animal to have developed comple…

No, the loudness is a whole separate dimension. 99% of the time, there's no need to be loud in public. Not when you're talking on the phone (the microphones on a phone work great!), not when you're having a conversation with one or two other people close to you. Not when talking to Siri (etc). You can talk quietly in a place that isn't very loud, and in a place like an airport you can talk just loud enough to be clearly heard -- there's no need to shout or to project your voice.

There are exceptions to this -- of course nobody expects you to worry about your volume at a concert between sets, at a sporting event, etc. But people who speak very loudly everywhere are annoying to everyone around them.

Re: STFU

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #415
sdenton4 wrote: post #414

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People talking to each other in person tend to modulate their voices to match the context. People talking on speakerphone tend to crank the volume and shout.

Plus devices are tinny and grate. Watching a video on the phone of someone speaking is much more annoying than someone speaking in person, even at the same volume.

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Re: STFU

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Post by johnisgood »

pc86 wrote: post #383
mythical_39 wrote: post #97

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I can sympathize with this, but 1) earbuds are not the only headphone style 2) listening to speakers is not a necessity. So fine if you don't want to use earbuds, but not necessarily fine to annoy those around you with music/talk shows or whatever sounds you want to introduce to the enviroment.

3) "I don't like this" / "I don't wanna" is not really an acceptable reason to be an antisocial ass.

Being in nature, all alone is not social though, is it? Why are people so frustrated? What am I missing?

FWIW, it is dangerous to wear headphones in the city and listen to music, but you can always wear only one side. It is not comfortable, but that is how you remain safe without being an ass.

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