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Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by zobzu »

tim-tday wrote: post #384
V__ wrote: post #376

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Obama was elected, which made some people very angry: > Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We’re going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.” > Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is…

As far as I can tell they hated Obama not for what he did, said or believed. Those things were quite middle of the road. They hated him for what he was.

bs. obama fucked up healthcare even more, bombed everyone (even americans) and deported more than trump.

color bait.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by hollowturtle »

kibwen wrote: post #456
hollowturtle wrote: post #313

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Agree they oppose nuclear, perhaps because of the fear of the unknown radiation or whatever. Reality is all nuclear incidents combined are nothing compared to the health problems oil and gas created(not to mention political implications). To me filling a giant space with solar panels or installing giant bird killing turbines is such a moronic move when you can have unnoticeable small nuclear power plants

> bird killing turbines If you think wind turbines are a significant cause of bird deaths it shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Please don't bother commenting on this topic again.

Not as many as cats I certainly know that, it obiovusly was an hyperbole used to underline that all we need is just a nuclear power plant to replace all that wind turbines

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by noosphr »

dalyons wrote: post #458
dyauspitr wrote: post #404

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Declining because they’re building out everything else so rapidly. I believe they have 30+ reactors being actively constructed right now.

Sure, I’m just pointing out that 24% share of power being nuke by 2060 is never going to happen now. Renewables got too cheap, and it’s not “on target”

If I have zero wives yesterday and one today, by next week I will need a new house for all my new wives.

Like I said in the original post:

>Even the people who understand the scale don't understand the purpose.

>The Chinese grid isn't renewable or non-renewable. It's built to keep the lights on for anything short of a thousand year catastrophe.

Only capitalists are so penny wise and pound foolish to bet their civilization on the lowest bidder while hoping the inevitable doesn't happen in the next quarter.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by jacquesm »

x0b4dc0d3 wrote: post #396
jacquesm wrote: post #168

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You were ripped off.

This is the reason there hasn’t been greater proliferation in the US. There’s a ton of premium added on top of cost.

That quoted price is nuts I did it cheaper in Canada in 2007. And that was with tracking panels (which I would never do again, I'd just buy more panels).

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by mattmaroon »

roxolotl wrote: post #21

It genuinely makes me so sad to see the US not doing the same. Having grown up to the constant beat of “energy independence” as the core goal of a party it seemed obvious that the nearly limitless energy that rains down from the sky would be the answer. But instead we’ve kept choosing the option which requires devastating our, and other’s around the world, community. That’s not to exclude the harsh reality of mining…

Well I have good news for you, we are.

Over 90% of new power generation being built (both domestically and globally) is renewables. We do it for the same reason China and everyone else is: it’s just cheaper now.

That’s the best reason because it’s the one that gets the job done. Renewable energy prices will keep falling while fossil fuel prices rise, widening the gap.

In 25 years there will be little fossil fuel generation left.

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Post by ainiriand »

appointment wrote: post #41
roxolotl wrote: post #21

It genuinely makes me so sad to see the US not doing the same. Having grown up to the constant beat of “energy independence” as the core goal of a party it seemed obvious that the nearly limitless energy that rains down from the sky would be the answer. But instead we’ve kept choosing the option which requires devastating our, and other’s around the world, community. That’s not to exclude the harsh reality of mining…

> That’s not to exclude the harsh reality of mining for the minerals required to build these, nor the land use concerns. This is Big Oil propaganda. The impact from this is massively less than the horrific damage caused by every part of the fossil fuel industry.

Absolutely, one single point to confirm what you say, the Niger Delta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7yWvGTDmo

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by pcchristie »

gregbot wrote: post #403
Rover222 wrote: post #141

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Similar to the idea that electric cars are net worse for the environment because some of the materials used to make them. Worse than 20 years of burning gasoline in an ICE car? It's so ridiculous.

it depends where your electricity comes from actually. In west Virginia it comes from coal so is worse than a hybrid but still better than non-hybrid gas cars (in terms of CO2)

No it's not. The efficiency of an EV Motor > efficiency of ICEV motor. Even with 100% black coal. The carbon is reduced by about 30% IIRC (that number can and does improve as the grid greens).

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by mattmaroon »

mlmonkey wrote: post #342
socalgal2 wrote: post #337

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Those are nice pictures but I can take the same pictures in the USA. Note: I'm not suggesting China is not doing better here. Rather, I'm going off the title "Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout" and I'm not seeing anything in those photos I haven't seen in the USA. Driving down the 580 from SF to Tracy you pass several hundred windmills. Driving through Mojave the same. Also sola…

Those windmills in the East Bay are decades old. And the Mojave solar concentrator is being shut down, from what I've heard. The article here starts with: Last year China installed more than half of all wind and solar added globally. In May alone, it added enough renewable energy to power Poland, installing solar panels at a rate of roughly 100 every second. Is the US anywhere in this ballpark?

We’re doing better than they are. Our new power generation is about 90% renewable, theirs is 70.

The difference is just scale, China has 3x our population but very many of them had little or even no electricity available so they’re playing catch up. Americans are functionally all served by the power grid already. So of course they’re building more of it as an absolute number.

But I’d also bet they built more coal plants last year than the entire world built in a decade.

Re: Photos capture the breathtaking scale of China's wind and solar buildout

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Post by balops »

triceratops wrote: post #378
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #330

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I don't understand this? A couple of people responded with clear charts showing nuclear way behind on solar/renewables with solar/renewables growing faster too. It looks like you've been misled but are having trouble admitting that to yourself?

He's a troll. Don't respond.

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