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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by nomel »

themk wrote: post #427
nomel wrote: post #379

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> there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD Reference? Many of the old studies have been proven flawed and, no surprise, corrupt [1]. Recent studies seem to suggest that it's only linked for some people. Disclaimer: I am nearly uneducated with this topic, but find it increasingly hard to trust anything nutrition related, where big money is involved. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/artic…

I really wish people would stop sharing that article as if it means anything. Nina Teicholz is not who you should be getting your science from. Her views are not the scientific consensus. She is not a scientist, she is a journalist with an agenda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz

Fair enough! I was not aware of that. But she's far from the only one. There appears to be a wall of meta-analysis stating the same, but again, I'm naive and just googling.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by krageon »

Aerroon wrote: post #391
overgard wrote: post #288

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I think common sense here can be a guide though. You don't need sugar at all, excluding high levels of anaerobic exercise. Your liver can produce the glucose your body actually needs from other sources (gluconeogenesis) and a lot of your tissues that use glucose also can use fatty acids or ketones. Fructose isn't needed at all. ("low blood sugar" isn't a symptom of not consuming enough sugar, it's a symptom of a disr…

I would caution that just because your body can make something doesn't mean it will have optimal performance when doing so. People in ketosis do have worse peak performance in sports than those that eat more carbs/sugar.

> worse peak performance in sports

For nearly everyone, this isn't impactful to their life. Only their vanity

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by CrimsonRain »

DetectDefect wrote: post #31
mullingitover wrote: post #20

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The food pyramid went away over twenty years ago. It was discontinued in 2005, and the current guidelines are at https://www.fns.usda.gov/cnpp/myplate which launched in 2011.

Which are crafted by individuals with strong financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries, thus should be disregarded by any reasonable person.

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by themk »

tsimionescu wrote: post #459
themk wrote: post #449

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Notably, the epidemiological study people like to dump on the most, largely did use natural experiments (i.e. they chose regions, that, at the time, had very traditional diets, without the convenience of supermarkets to mess it all up). They also didn't rely solely on food surveys, but actually measured the meals. But all that aside, I don't actually follow a Mediterranean diet, and agree that one has to be careful h…

There are so many differences in lifestyle between the regions that they studied and other places that it is absurd to attribute the outcomes confidently to the diet. Especially when stress is a well known CVD risk in itself.

This sounds like they didn't think about it at all. Of course they did, and sure, their techniques were not as sophisticated as today. But there have been plenty of follow-up studies that have controlled more rigorously for those things, and it turns out they were probably right?

Also, the 7 countries study didn't just compare the regions, they also did intra-regional comparisons. Not that I think this particular study is what you should base all your evidence on, but, most others back it up.

The people who run these studies actually know what they are doing. They know the limitations of their methods, and, they have thought about confounding variables. This _always_ comes up in internet debate, like, "ahh, but there are confounding variables so the study must be trash!". It's literally their job to take those confounding variables into account. They don't just grab random people of the street to run these things. And I assure you, they know about the details.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by CrimsonRain »

lostlogin wrote: post #304
stuffn wrote: post #273

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> Since you present no actual evidence. It’s his food pyramid and his departments advice. https://cdn.realfood.gov/DGA.pdf As for him being a quack, that’s earned through his refusal to follow scientific guidance, and sacking the guidance available. You’re presumably aware of his views on fluoride and vaccines.

What's wrong with not wanting flouride in my food and drink?

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by CrimsonRain »

lfliosdjf wrote: post #340

Has any one successfully code with same focus after cutting sugar? Seems sugar is really important for focus. Whats your experience?

That's addiction. You'll need time to get out of it.

Cutting off sugar will help you have more focus, not just during coding but the whole day. However, if you were on high amount of sugar before, at initial stage, your body will scream.

For me, it takes a few weeks to get settled in. After that, I don't miss sugar at all. Can focus just fine.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by casualrandomcom »

nearbuy wrote: post #441
casualrandomcom wrote: post #171

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I don't know why this was re-posted today (kind of suspicious that this floats again after 10 year just by chance) anyway, there is a full citation-heavy book by Gary Taubes about this, and one of his points was that the sugar industry paid 2 million in 1970's dollars to create the nutrition department of Harvard, which was the first nutrition department in the world. (This was to say that nutrition science itself ha…

The department of nutrition at Harvard was founded in 1942.

To be true to Taubes, my memory was too approximate. The actual claim was that in 1976 Fred Stare, the director and founder (in 1942) of the Department of Nutrition of the Harvard School of Public Health was exposed by Michael Jacobson having received around 200.000 dollars in the course of the preceding 3 years from Kellogg's, Nabisco e and their foundations, after he had testified before the Congress about the virtues of cereal as a breakfast food. Apparently this discredited Stare as a scientist.

Wikipedia also states that "Kellogg's funded $2 million to set up the Nutrition Foundation at Harvard. The foundation was independent of the university and published a journal Nutrition Reviews that Stare edited for 25 years." But I cannot find this is Taubes's book.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by snemvalts »

al_borland wrote: post #371
snemvalts wrote: post #316

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Red meat (a known carcinogen) at the top is gold. All that saturated fat the energy will come from (not from protein or veggies) will probably cause heart problems and plaque formation in arteries, not to mention insulin resistance just from increased FFAs in blood. Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW.

> Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW. Anecdotally, my dad tried vegetarianism for quite a while to address his T2D, but it had no effect. My mom cut out sugar and processed carbohydrates and her T2D was gone in ~3 months or so. Following any diet is probably better than nothing at all, which could explain the lower incidence of T2D in that group vs the general public. I’d be more curious…

Treating T2D and preventing T2D are completely different things from a dietary perspective. Same way you wouldn't give chemotherapy to a healthy person to prevent cancer

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by aziaziazi »

lithocarpus wrote: post #362
nsxwolf wrote: post #95

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I just see one lobby, "Big Macronutrient". We all need to eat. I'll be worried when some company tries to make me eat actual plastic. We know far less about any of this than we pretend to.

I mean I've seen "low calorie bread" that was basically industrial bread cut with cellulose which is analogous to very fine sawdust.

Cellulose is one of the main constituant of plants and as a fiber, great for your gut:

> In human nutrition, cellulose is a non-digestible constituent of insoluble dietary fiber, acting as a hydrophilic bulking agent for feces and potentially aiding in defecation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose

Workshop sawdust would be a bad idea though.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Panoramix wrote: post #251
siliconc0w wrote: post #109

This isn't really a correct narrative. Diets high in saturated fat are correlated with CVD. Sugar is also correlated with poor metabolic health which is also correlated with CVD. Both are bad. Best data is still Mediterranean- nuts, fruits vegetables, olive or avocado oil, and lean protein.

I've been to the Mediterranean several times. They eat a ton of (delicious) super oily food, sausages, meats, eggs, fish (often fried or deep fried), salty cheeses, greasy stuff, tons of white bread, lots of wine. Fat chance to find someone eating avocados, kale, or quinoa, and proteins are not at all minimized. The Mediterranean diet is like a Californian wellness type of person's idea of what the actual Mediterrane…

Countries in the mediterranean have been developing the same bad habits as elsewhere. People in the Mediterranean need to go back to eating a Mediterranean diet.
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