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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by HappyPanacea »

timcobb wrote: post #433
Amir_A wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it is...? Jews were living peacefully in Palestine long before the establishment of a judeo-supremacist apartheid state, to the point you had entire refugee boats of Ashkenazis seeking safe harbor from the holocaust, who ironically became the cornerstone founding population of the Jewish state after the Nakba in 1948 killed and forcefully expelled hundreds of thousands of people (it's the ultimate cautionary t…

I think the ongoing conflict is the result of: - Jewish flight/migration to Palestine, neglecting the reality to one extent or another that Palestinian Arabs were there and had aspirations to form a state - Arab /Muslim nations forcibly ejecting their Jews to Israel in the 50s-70s (ashekenazi Jews are a minority in Israel, most are from Arab counties and Iran), thus fueling the Jewish population there. I can't think…

> Jewish flight/migration to Palestine, neglecting the reality to one extent or another that Palestinian Arabs were there and had aspirations to form a state

I don't think there was any aspirations to form a state in 1880-1900 or at least I haven't seen it.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by yoavm »

AbuAssar wrote: post #393
elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

you have the audacity to play the victim card for Israil after the whole world -including you- witnessed live and in HD for over two years what they have done to Gaza poeple?

Do you think Israeli civilians shouldn't be able to defend themselves from Hamas' rockets? If yes - why? If not - what exactly is it that you find so problematic with the parent post?

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by LorenPechtel »

Amir_A wrote: post #367
timcobb wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Except it is...? Jews were living peacefully in Palestine long before the establishment of a judeo-supremacist apartheid state, to the point you had entire refugee boats of Ashkenazis seeking safe harbor from the holocaust, who ironically became the cornerstone founding population of the Jewish state after the Nakba in 1948 killed and forcefully expelled hundreds of thousands of people (it's the ultimate cautionary t…

Peaceful??

No. The attacks were normal, not news. Think Jim Crow.

And the "Nakba" is mostly illusion. Lots of Arabs left at Arab behest, getting out of the way of the intended destruction of Israel. Oops, didn't work. Israel didn't ethnically cleanse Israel, most of it's neighbors did ethnically cleanse their areas.

And where you go wrong is thinking it was forceful. They bought land and moved to it.

And the root cause is that the Jews threw off centuries of oppression and the Muslims can't stand that. They considered the land conquered. As normal, when a victim throws off the abuser the level of violence goes way up.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by devJdeed »

This technology will only yield escalations and human violence. Israel continues to build more of these technologies bringing only more violence more than what we saw in Gaza for 2 years straight. Everywhere where these technologies are being developed are contributing to this human disaster.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by yoavm »

wildrhythms wrote: post #378
nir wrote: post #317

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A tiny fraction of the US budget which is almost entirely earmarked to be spent buying from US suppliers but sure, the Jews are the reason you have a malfunctioning health system.

Conflating the state of Israel with "the Jews" is antisemitic. Many Jews do not support the state of Israel whatsoever.

There's a huge difference between not supporting the current Israeli government and not supporting Israel whatsoever. Many Jews relate with the former, but from my experience it's very few that relate with the latter.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by LorenPechtel »

recroad wrote: post #456
hersko wrote: post #430

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Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actually winning the war they started. There strategy is to fight in a dense urban environment among their own civilians while firing thousands of unguided rockets at their enemy, knowing the retaliation is going to be horrific with no way for them to stop it (oth…

Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below. The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on com…

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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

recroad wrote: post #456
hersko wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actually winning the war they started. There strategy is to fight in a dense urban environment among their own civilians while firing thousands of unguided rockets at their enemy, knowing the retaliation is going to be horrific with no way for them to stop it (oth…

Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below. The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on com…

You don't get to "resist" your neighbors existence because you want to claim their territory for yourself.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by LorenPechtel »

kennywinker wrote: post #300
elcritch wrote: post #287

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That the US contributes doesn’t take away from the billions Israel did and does invest. The US defense contractors also get a big chunk of that aid. The US also gives similar levels of military aid to Egypt as well. The EU and US give billions to Ukraine. Gaza also receives billions in aid; substantial amounts of which has been hihacked and looted. For example this lady summer the UN reported that 88% of their aid tr…

> That the US contributes doesn’t take away from the billions Israel did and does invest Actually it does? It takes about 1/4 away. > The US also gives similar levels of military aid to Egypt as well. The EU and US give billions to Ukraine. Yes, the US uses defense aid to further their own agenda internationally, and funnel public dollars into private hands. > Gaza also receives billions in aid Food, medical, and inf…

They want you to think that.

There is no way any group other than Hamas could be operating at that scale. It's Hams taking the aid to use it to control the population. It's not like they were actually starving--Hamas never managed to find a legitimately starving person to point a camera at. Every single person they paraded in front of the cameras had medical issues that were the cause of their problems. Just go look inside a hospice, should we conclude they are starving people?

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

buran77 wrote: post #296
elcritch wrote: post #270

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Israel invests in defending their civilians with technology like Iron Beam. In contrast the Gazan government strategically uses humans shields [2, 3] and despite this the majority of Palestinians still support starting this war by attacking civilians on Oct 7th [1]. Defense technology doesn’t help if you don’t want it unfortunately. Hamas also has hundreds of miles of tunnels which civilians aren’t allowed to use. 1:…

> the Gazan government strategically uses humans shields This just means Israel knows they're hitting women and children every time they send a bomb their way. > the majority of Palestinians still support starting this war Palestine isn't a democracy with well documented preferences. Israel is though, so why don't you say that a majority of Israelis are fine with the killing of women and children in Gaza? elcritch, y…

> there's a reasonable justification (not just an explanation) for killing women and children if it suits someone's needs

The Law of Armed Conflict specifies exactly when it considers such a reasonable justification to exist, which is not "never". You don't get to plop down women and children in front of military installations and go "neener neener" like you're a child on the school playground.

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