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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by racl101 »

hansmayer wrote: post #321

I cannot stop thinking about the LLMs having this Midas touch quality, because everything they touch seems to ruin things or make people want to avoid them, for example: - Ghibli studio style graphics, - the infamous em-dashes and bullet points - customer service (just try to use Klarnas "support" these days...) - Oracle share price ;) - imagine being one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies, losi…

We need a word for a Midas touch except instead of gold everything turns to feces.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by smoe »

api wrote: post #376
bogzz wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure how, or even if, it does stop. I assume once the hot air from LLM company CEOs starts being treated as the flatulence that it is, things will wind down. The sentiment against generated content is not going away.

In previous eras there were many purists who considered photography not-art, sequencer and synthesizer made music not-music, other forms of (non-AI) digital art less legitimate than their more manual classical counterparts, etc. This is the same discourse all over again. Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? I think it is, of course, but I have had experiences where…

I'm not against AI art per se, but at least so far, most “AI artists” I see online seem to care very little about the artistry of what they’re doing, and much much more about selling their stuff.

Among the traditional artists I follow, maybe 1 out of 10 posts is directly about selling something. With AI artists, it’s more like 9 out of 10.

It might take a while for all the grifters to realize that making a living from creative work is very hard before more genuinely interesting AI art starts to surface eventually. I started following a few because I liked an image that showed up in my feed, but quickly unfollowed after being hit with a daily barrage of NFT promotions.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by kaoD »

rileymat2 wrote: post #74
throwaway94275 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Monopoly" means one seller, so you can't say multiple X makes a monopoly and make sense. You probably mean collusion. If demand exceeds supply, either prices rise or supply falls, causing shortages. Directly controlling sellers (prices) or buyers (rationing) results in black markets unless enforcement has enough strength and integrity. The required strength and integrity seems to scale exponentially with the value o…

> If everyone wants chips, semiconductor manufacturing supply should be increased. Governments should subsidize domestic semiconductor industries and the conditions for them to thrive (education, etc.) to meet both goals of domestic and economic security, and do it in a way that works. If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first?

> If there is already demand at this inflated price, shouldn’t we ask why more capacity is not coming online naturally first?

...and why it has been consistently the case for a long while.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by nospice »

racl101 wrote: post #462

I should probably buy a spare Logitech keyboard and mouse pair. Mine current ones are seeing wear and tear.

FWIW, these markets are largely separate. Keyboards and mice typically use relatively simple microcontrollers made at "yesteryear" node sizes (100 nm+), so they can't start making high-density DRAM or GPUs even if they wanted to.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by RiverCrochet »

chowells wrote: post #459
RiverCrochet wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? If X composes something, X is an artist. The person playing a composed work is a performer. Some people have both the roles of artist and performer for a given work. To say an AI composes something is anthropomorphizing a computer. If you enter a prompt to make a machine generate work based on existing artists' art, you're not…

I mostly agree with your sentiment, but saying "math is not art" is the same as saying "writing is not art". Calculation isn't art. But math isn't calculation. Math is a social activity shared between humans. Like writing, much of it is purely utilitarian. But there's always an aesthetic component, and some works explore that without regard to utility. It's a funny kind of art, accessible to few and beautiful to even…

This really made me think and you're right. Perhaps I should have said "calculation" instead of "math."

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by worik »

chowells wrote: post #459
RiverCrochet wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? If X composes something, X is an artist. The person playing a composed work is a performer. Some people have both the roles of artist and performer for a given work. To say an AI composes something is anthropomorphizing a computer. If you enter a prompt to make a machine generate work based on existing artists' art, you're not…

I mostly agree with your sentiment, but saying "math is not art" is the same as saying "writing is not art". Calculation isn't art. But math isn't calculation. Math is a social activity shared between humans. Like writing, much of it is purely utilitarian. But there's always an aesthetic component, and some works explore that without regard to utility. It's a funny kind of art, accessible to few and beautiful to even…

When it comes to art, description is after practice

It does not matter if they are labeled "composer" or "director ". It is the product that counts.

"....I know what I like"

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by vee-kay »

Ekaros wrote: post #134

Outside say video and image editing and maybe lossless audio. Why is this much ram even needed in most use cases? And I mean actually thinking about using it. Computer code unless you are actually doing whole Linux kernel, is just text. So lot of projects probably would fit in cache. Maybe software companies should be billed for user's resources too...

You must be surprised to learn that most of the personal/SOHO PC users use Windows as the default OS.

In fact, Microsoft and Intel made a cutthroat monopoly of the PC market by their long-term WinTel nexus (MS Windows optimized to run better on Intel CPUs, Intel CPU PCs being sold with MS WINDOW by default), until AMD upped the ante and stole the race by being first on the block with releasing x64/x32 bit processor so Microsoft chose to ditch Intel for AMD to usher in the new era of 54-bit Windows OSes.

AMD still dominates in server market and GPU market (where it has been innovating harder and giving better VFM than nVidia and Intel), so still struggling to dominate the PC market (PC assemblers/stores get better lucrative deals from Intel to sell Intel-based PCs, that's why we find fewer AMD-based PCs for sale in shops/stores.

And that doesn't bode well for PC users/customers. Because that WinTel+nVidia nexus will choose MS Windows over Linux any day.

As for why more RAM is needed, you must be again surprised to know that most people play video games on PCs and mobiles rather than expensive consoles.

But even casual gaming needs adequate RAM and some vRAM. Even heavy duty office work (e.g., opening/editing big Excel files or complex PDFs) is a problem in low-end PC. Engineering students and workers need to do complex CAD/CAM work on their PCs. Artists (including musicians) need to use powerful software tools to do design and art work. All these needs mandate more RAM (16GB at the minimum) because most of these tools need MS Windows (or alternatively, expensive Mac PCs, assuming MacOS has alternative apps to suit such needs).

After failing to beat AMDs versatility and VFM performance in the CPU & GPU market, nVidia and Intel have insteaf pivoted to AI to regain their stranglehold on the market. Their AI NPUs are dominating the PC market this year, but those new PCs are bad for the types of specific needs listed above.

This is also why Microsoft and its allies ensured that most video games are not ported to Linux (and Mac), until Valve finally started to change that status quo by focusing on Linux gaming (but out of self interest, as its money-maker Steam store became too heavily dependent on Microsoft for gaming).

So yeah, more RAM and better CPUs & GPUs please!

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by zappb »

racl101 wrote: post #461
hansmayer wrote: post #321

I cannot stop thinking about the LLMs having this Midas touch quality, because everything they touch seems to ruin things or make people want to avoid them, for example: - Ghibli studio style graphics, - the infamous em-dashes and bullet points - customer service (just try to use Klarnas "support" these days...) - Oracle share price ;) - imagine being one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies, losi…

We need a word for a Midas touch except instead of gold everything turns to feces.

That’s the Mierdes Touch.
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