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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by nephihaha »

mopsi wrote: post #366
nephihaha wrote: post #323

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The EU is not more "free". There are a lot of things you can't say or will get shut down for. Most of the EU does not have the same freedom of expression or religion that the USA guarantees in its founding documents. The collective cannot have freedom if the individual does not. That includes the right to disagree. The EU and USA are going down the same road. Social media is a part of this censorship of open discussi…

> There are a lot of things you can't say or will get shut down for. Such as? I honestly can't think of anything. > It is unacceptable to ban homeschooling. Some children need to be homeschooled, because of disabilities, or even high intelligence. European education laws prioritize the child's right to education and social development over parental autonomy as an absolute. Mandatory schooling laws have been adopted t…

I've seen what a complete crapshoot state education is first hand. My god daughter came out of school recently and can barely read and write. I had to suffer through it myself...

I find it amusing that homeschooling is so vilified and stereotyped. All the homeschooled children I know are BETTER educated not worse. Contrary to the stereotype. Schools have massive bullying issues and are often bad environments for neurodiverse people. Schools are very Lord of the Flies.

Home schooling is of course only as good as the people teaching but the same is true of schools. Most state curricula prioritise the state and adoration of the state... funnily enough

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Post by integralid »

carlosjobim wrote: post #346
Lapel2742 wrote: post #182

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> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Maybe you should get out of your right-wing bubble. - EU approval among its citizens hits record high as security fears grow, poll shows ( https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-approval-among-its-c... ) - Nearly three quarters of EU citizens (74%) say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a mem…

I don't give very much for statistics and opinion polls. People tend to give the answer they think they're "supposed to give" in those. I base my assessment on my experience from talking to people in real life. > Maybe you should get out of your right-wing bubble. Your comment is nasty, but I don't think you're this nasty in real life. Probably you're just blowing off some steam online.

I'm from the EU. I don't know a single person that is against EU. Everyone among my friends and colleagues, including me, is strongly pro-EU.

At least I know that's a bubble, because I know anti-eu people exist in my country too. Get out of yours.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by integralid »

nephihaha wrote: post #241
Lapel2742 wrote: post #204

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> It isn't some paradise. Compared to the USA it still is.

The EU has better healthcare and welfare overall, but fewer individual rights in other areas. Less gun crime (although this depends on region). Poverty levels vary a lot across the EU. Americans take homeschooling for granted, for better or worse, but it is banned in some European countries like Germany. Also the USA allows groups such as the Amish their liberty, which would be extremely unlikely in much of the EU wh…

I've read somewhere that Americans understand freedom as "freedom TO", shiny Europeans understand freedom as "freedom FROM". This is extremely visible in this thread and probably a cause of many misunderstandings.

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Post by saubeidl »

integralid wrote: post #463
nephihaha wrote: post #241

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The EU has better healthcare and welfare overall, but fewer individual rights in other areas. Less gun crime (although this depends on region). Poverty levels vary a lot across the EU. Americans take homeschooling for granted, for better or worse, but it is banned in some European countries like Germany. Also the USA allows groups such as the Amish their liberty, which would be extremely unlikely in much of the EU wh…

I've read somewhere that Americans understand freedom as "freedom TO", shiny Europeans understand freedom as "freedom FROM". This is extremely visible in this thread and probably a cause of many misunderstandings.

This is definitely the case.

There's philosophical terms for this: America emphasizes negative liberty ("freedom from interference by other people. Negative liberty is primarily concerned with freedom from external restraint") , while Europe emphasizes positive liberty ("the possession of the power and resources to act in the context of the structural limitations of the broader society which impacts a person's ability to act")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty

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Post by AndroTux »

antonkochubey wrote: post #449
AndroTux wrote: post #386

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Welcome to the real world. I’m not saying this is a good thing, but this is what’s happened. That’s why everyone is doing AWS. To pretend this is a non-issue and can easily be fixed by investing a bit in development does not reflect reality.

At my last workplace we literally fixed this by investing a bit in development.

You worked at an industry giant like Airbus? Cool.

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #442
lnxg33k1 wrote: post #319

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How much do you guys suffer about this work life balance, I can't wrap my head around the level of brainwash you guys have been through to use concepts as socialised wealth and wellness as a bad thing these evil europeans wanting to have a break from work! how dare them!

And productivity per head is much higher in many more socialist economies. Which makes sense as it's basically GDP/hour.

are you sure you're working? There is no one from europe in the top net worth

/s

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Post by kyboren »

microtonal wrote: post #171
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #132

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geberation there will be no more real germans I would be very surprised if this type of speech is allowed/tolerated on HN.

Heavens to Betsy, someone online just disagreed with the Correct Political Views! Better ban their account and send an officer to their door to arrest them now, before they can further poison our beautiful free democracies with their right-wing propaganda.

The Trump administration really does have a point about anti-democratic restrictions on core liberties in Europe. You'd be very surprised because you're used to European censorship regimes reaching beyond the continent and limiting free speech online.

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Post by kyboren »

pembrook wrote: post #99
jamesblonde wrote: post #94

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They control Europe's digital infrastructure and are able to increase rent to usurous levels (tarrifs!) because Europe is dependent on their digital services. Without digital sovereignty, Europe has no sovereignty and will quickly become a modern colony from which wealth will be extracted.

The reason the US is able to raise rents (tariffs) has nothing to do with Europe buying US digital services. The tariffs are on European exports. The problem is Europe has a weak domestic consumer market and is dependent on selling stuff to the US, not buying from them.

The problem is really that Europe has a few dozen weak consumer markets. If there really was a proper single market, I suspect the EU would be much more competitive in digital services.

Unfortunately despite their best efforts this isn't something Eurocrats can simply will into existence. The most important prerequisite is a common language, and there is zero political will to do the only sensible thing and establish English as the official common language of the EU.

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Post by kyboren »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #73
unmole wrote: post #23

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> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

The current U.S. President has insisted that Europeans are freeloading. Given that he’s been the primary proponent of this idea, and given that he’s been cutting off aid and has made cutting off this “freeloading” the central plank of his defense strategy, the U.S. defense budget must have gone down significantly right? https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5656174-trump-si... > The bill approves a record $901…

Obviously faulty logic. This isn't a zero-sum game. In fact, the whole point is to increase our combined combat power.

For too long European NATO countries have kept token militaries lacking any substantial combat power. They have centered their national defense strategies around holding off Russia for just long enough for Uncle Sam to swoop in, fight the Russians, and save the day. But the US does not have the combat power to fight both Russia and China. So our total combat power must increase. Should the US bear this increased burden alone? Or should the rest of NATO finally get serious about funding and fielding effective militaries?

European states have been freeloading, and US defense budgets are not going to decrease just because Europe finally starts to take some responsibility for its own defense.

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Post by kyboren »

notahacker wrote: post #28
raverbashing wrote: post #8

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You'd be fooling yourself if you think any moderately complex company still hasn't moved to the cloud or isn't thinking about it (with rare exceptions)

Yeah, not really sure how a globally distributed manufacturing operation with a complex supply chain and customers all over the world that need access to data for their operations is supposed to function effectively without it. (and I say that as someone that used to sell commercial aviation data that came on CDs...)

You do know that the Internet and "the cloud" are not the same thing, right?
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