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Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by recursivedoubts »

forzerpendulum wrote: post #458
recursivedoubts wrote: post #29

Hey, I created htmx and while I appreciate the publicity, I’m not a huge fan of these types of hyperbolic articles. There are lots of different ways to build web apps with their own strengths and weaknesses. I try to assess htmx’s strengths and weaknesses here: https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/ Also, please try unpoly: https://unpoly.com/ It’s another excellent hypermedia oriented library Edit: the arti…

Htmx is pleasant to use, but I lost a little respect for you after this prudish comment.

my bad

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by azangru »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #447
lerp-io wrote: post #428

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this site can also vibe coded in seconds.

lol Yea what a wild example to pick from. A web programming 101 website being heralded as why it's okay to use a tech like Lisp to build web apps feels pretty standard for HN though. It's a list of articles and comments. It would take like 3 pages from W3Schools to build this thing.

I am deeply baffled by this kind of response.

Firstly, because this site happily handles the amount of traffic that puts many hobbyist sites that happen to get on its front page into a hug of death; so its developers must have done something right on the backend that is probably above the web programming 101 level.

But secondly, because this was precisely my point. One does not need a super popular front-end framework to make an awesome web product, and the HackerNews site is a testament to that.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by azangru »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #446
azangru wrote: post #306

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> One language has 2 jobs, and the other language 13k jobs. I doubt you'd think for more than a second. The Hacker News website runs on Lisp. How many jobs do you see on the market that ask for Lisp? And yet, for what it is, this site is amazing! I don't see them rushing to migrate to a python backend and a react-based frontend, no matter how many jobs there are for those.

> The Hacker News website runs on Lisp. You mean the message board? The website that has a grand total of 2 functions: post and comment? > And yet, for what it is, this site is amazing! It's 2 colors and text. That's it. > ! I don't see them rushing to migrate to a python backend and a react-based frontend, no matter how many jobs there are for those. It's A MESSAGE BOARD. A. MESSAGE. BOARD.

> It's A MESSAGE BOARD. A. MESSAGE. BOARD.

Have you seen how many blog or portfolio sites people build with react? Sometimes even adding nextjs into the mix? Blogs!

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

azangru wrote: post #462
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #447

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lol Yea what a wild example to pick from. A web programming 101 website being heralded as why it's okay to use a tech like Lisp to build web apps feels pretty standard for HN though. It's a list of articles and comments. It would take like 3 pages from W3Schools to build this thing.

I am deeply baffled by this kind of response. Firstly, because this site happily handles the amount of traffic that puts many hobbyist sites that happen to get on its front page into a hug of death; so its developers must have done something right on the backend that is probably above the web programming 101 level. But secondly, because this was precisely my point. One does not need a super popular front-end framewor…

> I am deeply baffled by this kind of response.

No you're not. You're just trying to respond with something witty.

It's a message board with 1% of the functionality most sites people are building with frameworks.

> Firstly, because this site happily handles the amount of traffic that puts many hobbyist sites that happen to get on its front page into a hug of death;

Lol are you really implying it's hard to scale a message board?

> One does not need a super popular front-end framework to make an awesome web product, and the HackerNews site is a testament to that.

IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD. Nobody is building message boards anymore. Using HN as an example for anything other than building a dirt simple message boardsays more about your refusal to recognize the need to these new technologies than it does about those technologies.

> awesome web product

A. Message. Board.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

azangru wrote: post #463
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #446

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> The Hacker News website runs on Lisp. You mean the message board? The website that has a grand total of 2 functions: post and comment? > And yet, for what it is, this site is amazing! It's 2 colors and text. That's it. > ! I don't see them rushing to migrate to a python backend and a react-based frontend, no matter how many jobs there are for those. It's A MESSAGE BOARD. A. MESSAGE. BOARD.

> It's A MESSAGE BOARD. A. MESSAGE. BOARD. Have you seen how many blog or portfolio sites people build with react? Sometimes even adding nextjs into the mix? Blogs!

So? That doesn't change the fact that HN is a dirt simple message board anybody could build.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by fithisux »

azangru wrote: post #162
librasteve wrote: post #103

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HTMX Sucks https://htmx.org/essays/htmx-sucks/

> No Jobs > Another practical reason not to use htmx is that there are, rounding off, zero htmx jobs. > I just did a search for htmx jobs on indeed and found a grand total of two: one at Microsoft and one at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. > A search for “react”, on the other hand, gives 13,758 jobs. > Seriously, developer, which of these two technologies do you want to hitch your career to? I do not advocated for htm…

you are right and wrong.

Survival is more important.

On the other hand htmx is nice to have, if it solves your problem. Still you should use what benefits you in the context of a customer.

If you ask me, I think the web is for viewing static content, download content, or share links that your browser should delegate to an app.

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by rpdillon »

furyofantares wrote: post #219
rpdillon wrote: post #201

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Do you have evidence, or is it mostly vibes? EDIT: Decided to dig up the source: https://github.com/algal/pleasejusttryhtmx/commits?author=al... Looks like the initial commit might well have been generated, and then the document touched up in several following commits. But there's clearly a person behind it: algal.

There's a person behind all of these bad posts that are making it here. What I've said is that their perspective has been erased by the garbage the LLM put together from whatever inputs they gave it. OK - OK - I did say "you're not a real person" which is maybe what you're responding to here; I did not mean algal is not a real person, I meant algal didn't write the line I was quoting. But yes, it's "vibes" - although…

Yeah, I saw that, but when I went back and looked at the content, there are sentence fragments that seem atypical, although there are a fair number of em-dashes. I guess it wasn't as obvious to me, and I felt your original comment was harsh. But perhaps justified.

I noticed the footer, too, and was a bit disappointed. Live and learn!

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by endofreach »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #449
intrasight wrote: post #407

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One language - JSX - has 10 jobs. The other language - HTML - has over 30,000 jobs

lol JSX isn't a language. There aren't "JSX" jobs. I feel like only a backend developer trying to score "gotcha" points could make this argument and be confident about it.

> backend developer

You mean a real developer?

Re: Please just try HTMX

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Post by yawaramin »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #429
yawaramin wrote: post #260

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Yeah, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

I can tell you, it is neither styled, nor does it work on Firefox (as in, properly works). And the mobile UX is horrible.

Perhaps Firefox should focus on shipping a good native datepicker instead of trying to put AI in the browser.
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