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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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That would apply to Americans and Israelis too.

I'm not a member of any American military or political organization that takes any kind of military action.

If you are part of the American electorate (including a voter who is eligible but choosing to abstain out of protest or indifference) you are part of a political organization that chooses military action.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Happy to follow the rules when free discussion is allowed. Watching this topic get censored aggressively on here during some of the darkest months for Palestinians eroded my respect for your “rules”.

We've specifically protected, carefully moderated, and kept open many threads about this topic, at considerable cost, because each time one of these appears on HN, the mods can kiss the rest of their day goodbye, not to mention look forward to streams of abuse [1]. Forgive me therefore if I dispute your claim of "censored aggressively". To me that feels like not taking yes for an answer. That's understandable, becaus…

As someone who is extremely online and often bored at work, I spend a lot of time checking the top ~100 or so posts here. Any article related to Israel was getting rapidly flagged and taken down. It’s possible that these posts are being mass-flagged by users and automatically taken down, but if that’s the case it appears to be an abuse of the flag function. I understand it’s difficult to moderate these threads and that Israel/Palestine is a contentious topic, but that just doesn’t explain the rapid (~10 minute latency) take downs prior to ANY inflammatory comments. Again, I don’t know exactly how your system works, but maybe some additional transparency would be helpful. It’s clearly already being gamed so it wouldn’t hurt.

Edit: I think it’s also important to be conscious of the central role that Y combinator and Silicon Valley in general have played both in the Israel / Palestine “conflict” and domestic US politics. “Hackernews” is not a neutral zone. It is directly associated with the most powerful forces in the world today. I’m not casting judgment because I work in this industry to. But it undoubtedly raises serious questions about the moderation (automated or otherwise) of speech around these topics on here.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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We've specifically protected, carefully moderated, and kept open many threads about this topic, at considerable cost, because each time one of these appears on HN, the mods can kiss the rest of their day goodbye, not to mention look forward to streams of abuse [1]. Forgive me therefore if I dispute your claim of "censored aggressively". To me that feels like not taking yes for an answer. That's understandable, becaus…

As someone who is extremely online and often bored at work, I spend a lot of time checking the top ~100 or so posts here. Any article related to Israel was getting rapidly flagged and taken down. It’s possible that these posts are being mass-flagged by users and automatically taken down, but if that’s the case it appears to be an abuse of the flag function. I understand it’s difficult to moderate these threads and th…

The key word in your comment is "any". If you really mean that "any", I propose consing an 'm' onto it, because HN has hosted dozens of threads totalling many thousands of comments, probably tens of thousands by now, about this topic. That shouldn't be hard to verify. One could start here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

> maybe some additional transparency would be helpful.

No amount of transparency will help, alas, for two reasons: (1) people decide these things based on how they feel, and (2) the measure-zero internet law: no matter how often you repeat something, the set of users who receive the information has measure zero (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).

> the central role that Y combinator and Silicon Valley in general have played both in the Israel / Palestine “conflict” and domestic US politics.

I don't remotely believe that YC has played a "central role" in any of that, but even if it had, Hacker News is moderated by me and tomhow, and no one at YC has ever put any political pressure on us. If you're talking about HN moderation, that's who you're talking about—and we're quite accessible and willing to answer questions and address objections. (That's why I've posted 81k comments over the last 10+ years, what-am-i-doing-with-my-life-god-help-me.)

p.s. I've always felt that people being bored at work are HN's core constituency, so thank you!

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Happy to follow the rules when free discussion is allowed. Watching this topic get censored aggressively on here during some of the darkest months for Palestinians eroded my respect for your “rules”.

We've specifically protected, carefully moderated, and kept open many threads about this topic, at considerable cost, because each time one of these appears on HN, the mods can kiss the rest of their day goodbye, not to mention look forward to streams of abuse [1]. Forgive me therefore if I dispute your claim of "censored aggressively". To me that feels like not taking yes for an answer. That's understandable, becaus…

Thank you for trying to keep HN from devolving into 24x7 culture war like every other site.

I have so many places I can go if I want to read and discuss Israel and Palestine. I don’t need another, and I especially don’t want to lose the one spot I have that’s relatively free of it.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Yeah... requires serious mental gymnastics to argue otherwise. Military/terrorist group procures communication devices to coordinate military operations. Explosive is sized to injure the holder, not bystanders - per CCTV videos, eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/sep/18/cctv-cap... Hard to get more precise/targeted than that! In contrast to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEoK6oihqhs

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What is really annoying is the same people saying this incredibly targeted attack on Hezbollah is a horrible act of terrorism are completely silent on WHY Israel did it, which is because Hezbollah started shooting thousands of missiles at Israel in support of Hamas after the horrific attacks on Oct 7 2023. Just imagine the reaction the US would have if Mexico started shooting thousands of missiles at a US city?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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We've specifically protected, carefully moderated, and kept open many threads about this topic, at considerable cost, because each time one of these appears on HN, the mods can kiss the rest of their day goodbye, not to mention look forward to streams of abuse [1]. Forgive me therefore if I dispute your claim of "censored aggressively". To me that feels like not taking yes for an answer. That's understandable, becaus…

As someone who is extremely online and often bored at work, I spend a lot of time checking the top ~100 or so posts here. Any article related to Israel was getting rapidly flagged and taken down. It’s possible that these posts are being mass-flagged by users and automatically taken down, but if that’s the case it appears to be an abuse of the flag function. I understand it’s difficult to moderate these threads and th…

I don’t want hacker news to be neutral or biased, I want it to be a site or I can nerd out about tech stuff. Then when I feel like reading about the news of the day or arguing about politics, I’ll leave hacker news, and go to Twitter.

I don’t want hacker news to become Twitter. I don’t want hacker news to become a 24/7 critical theory struggle session.

All I can do as one person, acting within the guidelines, is to exercise my ability to flag stuff too focussed on politics.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Interestingly just nine days ago someone here shared a link to the US's Law of War manual for military personnel. It's pretty good for what it is. Since countries base this stuff on the same international treaties they've all signed, it's a guide to Israel's conduct during war (or just about anyone's) as well as the US's. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46147605 https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/31/2003271432/-…

Another really detailed analysis of what happened and the law-of-war implications was posted downthread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46227273

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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The idea that only criminals or terorists have pagers is ridiculous(you mentined doctors). But Israel didnt target pagers in Lebanon. They sold equipment for Hezbollah internal use om their own network (they convinced Hezbollah to pay a front company for the walkies). That is the opposite of indicrimante. as for > white Judeo-Christian variety Judeo Christian is a silly concept. Either say christian or say Abrahamic.…

That's not the argument. Presumably a broad cross-section of Lebanese people have pagers. But only Hezbollah combatants had these pagers, which were specifically procured by Hezbollah through an idiosyncratic suppler, linked to Hezbollah's own military encrypted network, and triggered by a pager message encrypted to that network.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Interestingly just nine days ago someone here shared a link to the US's Law of War manual for military personnel. It's pretty good for what it is. Since countries base this stuff on the same international treaties they've all signed, it's a guide to Israel's conduct during war (or just about anyone's) as well as the US's. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46147605 https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/31/2003271432/-…

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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I don't whether something is terrorism as something that's relevant for whether it's allowed by the laws of war. Instead what we have is IHL, i.e. the Geneva and Hague conventions etc., and if you are targeting military personnel or other targets of military importance, without any extra cruelty or attacks on civilians, what does it matter if it looks like terror-bombing? If it's allowed by IHL but is terrorism by Br…

>IHL is the actual binding thing. And who enforces that? When Netanyahu or Putin break that and bomb children and civilian hospitals, can you stop them by waving the IHL in their face?

Its a war between two organized armies, however lopsided, with one army recieving support openly to defend against a larger state. Isreal is not only a belligerent state, it openly commits war crimes from every single human war convention in existence, if not outright genocide, what is it?
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