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Windows 11 adds AI agent that runs in background with access to personal folders

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Post by malfist »

rocqua wrote: post #308
malfist wrote: post #93

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Why does that matter? I should be allowed to explicitly chose the risks I want to take. Not microsoft. Especially not for microsoft to decide, no matter what I'm doing, or what I have open and unsaved on my computer, now is the time they think my risk is too great and tuesday has passed, so reboot reboot reboot.

The automatic reboot has made the world a better place, because too many people were incredibly bad at making this risk tradeoff. It might still be bad thing for taking away agency. But it was also a massive improvement to society.

That's quiet a bit of stretch to equate forced update reboots to massive societal benefits

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Post by Gerardo1 »

logicprog wrote: post #305
poolnoodle wrote: post #298

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It is not bad per se but in my opinion it shows that OpenAI is desperately trying to stop bleeding money.

I mean, their issue isn't that not enough users are using ChatGPT, so they need to enable new user modalities to draw more people in — they already have something like 800 million MAU . Their issue is that most of their tokens are generated free right now both from those users and stuff like CoPilot, and they're building stupidly huge unnecessary data enters to scale their way to "AGI." So yeah, everyone says this lo…

If you re--calibrate from any lofty idea of their motives to "get investor money now", this and other moves/announcements make more sense: anything that could look good to an investor.

User count going up? Sure.

New browser that will deeply integrate chatGPT into users lives and give OAI access to their browsing/shopping data? Sure

Several new hardware products that are totally coming in the next several months? Sure

We're totally going to start delivering ads? Sure

We're making commitments to all these compute providers because our growth is totally going to warrant it? Sure

Oh, since we're investing in all of that compute, we're also going to become a compute vendor! Sure

None of it is particularly intentional, strategic, or sound. OAI is a money pit, they can always see the end of the runway, and must secure funding now. That is their perpetual state.

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Post by acqq »

pjmlp wrote: post #352
deafpolygon wrote: post #349

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> this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain. That may be, but there is PLENTY of people with the expertise to develop WinUI apps -- IMO, the glaring problem would be that Microsoft can't get their head straight on which UI to support in the first place!

Win32, Windows Forms, WPF, even MFC, I do agree. WinUI, only Microsoft employees on the Windows team, and fools that aren't aware of all the WinRT tooling reboots since Windows 8 was introduced, buying into WinUI marketing of how great it is. As one of the fools that thought WinRT was a great idea, what .NET 1.0 should have been, I doubt there are many of those left. WPF wasn't brought back into active status at BUIL…

Can you write or point to some more insights about the problems / critique of these most recent approaches?

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Post by cosmosgenius »

capyba wrote: post #412
cosmosgenius wrote: post #345

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AGI might be possible with more Param+Data scaling for LLM. It is not completely within the realm of impossible given that there is no proof yet of "limits" of LLM. Current limitation is definitely on the hardware side.

The processing capability of today’s CPU’s and GPU’s is insane . From handheld devices to data centers, the capability to manipulate absurd amounts of data in fractions of a second is everywhere. It’s not the hardware, it’s the algorithms.

Maybe it is the algorithms. But just by doing a op for an 10^25 param llm is definitely not feasible on todays hardware. Emergent properties does happen at high density. Emergent properties might even look as AGI.

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Post by FridayoLeary »

natebc wrote: post #350
Springtime wrote: post #220

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And this W11 version of Notepad takes longer to open than Sublime Text and about equal to Firefox. On NVMe. It used to be instant , which is something you really notice the difference with when it changes.

Wait till you open the humble calculator.

It's an amazing technical feat how they managed to introduce a graphical delay to it in Windows 10. I feel it actually took planning to work out how to introduce friction into easily the simplest conceivable app for no reason. It is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with Windows today.

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Post by Gerardo1 »

kbrkbr wrote: post #429
ChicagoDave wrote: post #311

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My point is not about morality. It’s about ROI focus and that OpenAI can’t and won’t ever return anything remotely close to what’s been invested. Adult content is not getting them closer to profitability. And if anyone believes the AGI hyperbole, oh boy I have a bridge and a mountain to sell. LLM tech will never lead to AGI. You need a tech that mimics synapses. It doesn’t exist.

I have also a hard time understanding how AGI will magically appear. LLMs have their name for a reason: they model human language (output given an input) from human text (and other artifacts). And now the idea seems to be that when we do more of it, or make it even larger, it will stop to be a model of human language generation? Or that human language generation is all there is to AGI? I wish someone could explain th…

Because the first couple major iterations looked like exponential improvements, and, because VC/private money is stupid, they assumed the trend must continue on the same curve.

And because there's something in the human mind that has a very strong reaction to being talked to, and because LLMs are specifically good at mimicking plausible human speech patterns, chatGPT really, really hooked a lot of people (including said VC/private money people).

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Post by npteljes »

tetrisgm wrote: post #407
npteljes wrote: post #373

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Try LTSC in case you haven't already. It's the essence of Windows, without most of this user-facing bullshit. They release it for environments where people expect their things to actually work, "like hospitals or kiosks". But, I can attest that it works for gaming as well. Activation can work with Massgrave, or by you spinning up your own activation emulator, or by pointing your Windows to the myriad other activation…

Oh interesting, never heard of it. I do a bunch of emulation and gaming that sometimes requires esoteric drivers, does video streaming and ofc the latest nvidia driver. Does that windows let users mess with that part of the stack?

LTSC is basically a trimmed-down version of Windows. Whatever is possible in Home, Pro, Enterprise etc, is possible in the LTSC as well. Most of the LTSC surprise comes from the lack of features. For example, I installed the "LTSC N" version back in the day, and that didn't even had codecs, so when I opened Reddit in Firefox, the videos didn't play. But even that was easily amended by just installing a specific update.

In case you want a community around it as well, Reddit was helpful for me.

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Post by Gerardo1 »

sensanaty wrote: post #415
the_snooze wrote: post #39

>For example, if you ask ChatGPT’s Agent to book a travel, it’ll open Chromium on Linux in an Azure container, search the query, visit different websites, navigate each page and book a flight ticket using your saved credentials. An AI Agent tries to mimic a human, and it can perform tasks on your behalf while you sit back and relax. Big tech has repeatedly shown that they are not good stewards of end users' privacy a…

Sidenote, why is it always booking a plane ticket that they hype up? It's like the only 2 things any of the marketing can think of is booking plane tickets and replying to emails

because the people driving these products are disconnected and deeply unbalanced people

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Post by fb03 »

gloosx wrote: post #425
arunc wrote: post #91

How worse can this get? Let's share more product ideas for Microsoft.

CoPilot for BIOS Integrated CoPilot chip, mandatory to install Windows CoPilot for mouse movements. Just ask where you want to move your mouse next, agent does the job. CoPilot which will entertain you while windows updates are installing CoPilot-assistant to install Chrome browser CoPilot for windows registry Master-CoPilot to control all other copilots CoPilot which will play games and watch movies instead of you,…

Cracked me up good, thank you

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Post by cosmosgenius »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #418
cosmosgenius wrote: post #345

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AGI might be possible with more Param+Data scaling for LLM. It is not completely within the realm of impossible given that there is no proof yet of "limits" of LLM. Current limitation is definitely on the hardware side.

This is what I'm talking about. The correct tech would enable the strands of information in a vector to "see" each other and "talk" to each other without any intervention. This isn't the same as using a shovel to bash someone's head in. AGI would need tech that finds a previously undocumented solution to a problem by relating many things together, making a hypothesis, testing it, proving it, then acting on it. LLM te…

Quantum compute would definite make a leap to moving closer to AGI. Calculating probability vector is very natural for quantum computer or more precisely any analog compute system would do. qubits==size(vocab) with some acceptable precision would work i believe.
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