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Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by raydev »

cons0le wrote: post #293
ConceptJunkie wrote: post #247

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I have no problems with YouTube at all. Perhaps it's because I pay for Premium (primarily to get YouTube music). Regardless, Google services getting worse over time is becoming a law rather than a tendency.

I don't get the value ad of youtube music. Everything's already on youtube and they let you make playlists, and they have playlists of the top charts already. What else does youtube music get you? I can play on my phone with the screen off with yt vanced ( and I would never pay just for that feature, because I remember when it was free and they took it away )

For me, it just comes with Premium, and I buy Premium to support the creators I watch often without having to watch ads. I want them to get paid.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by wiml »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #347
recursive wrote: post #259

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I use YouTube on a daily basis. I haven't seen any of these problems.

do you never encounter opening youtube video in a new tab only for video itself to load, while rest of the page doesn't?

That sounds pretty nice. Is there a way to do it on purpose?

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by gruez »

fsflover wrote: post #436
icpmoles wrote: post #119

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DRM protection schemes usually don't rely on TPM, the real magic happens inside your GPU and the monitor.

They can use all available tools at the same time.

TPMs existed for at least a decade though.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by o11c »

MrNeon wrote: post #421
PuercoPop wrote: post #418

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It is likely you use Chrome or a browser that uses Blink for its engine and the OP uses a non-blink browser like Firefox. I use Firefox and I can cofirm since the last few months Youtube usability borders on usable

I use Firefox with uBlock and besides a couple of times where video start was delayed by a few seconds it has been working as well as before.

Recently I've found Youtube to just show a white screen if it detects Firefox+uBO.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

ConceptJunkie wrote: post #261
titzer wrote: post #246

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> use it in line at the post office If it were a powerful, useful device that I could load my own software onto and make programmable without jumping through a bunch of hoops, instead of the ad-laden crapware that resulted from primarily two megacorps duking it out over how to best extort billions from app developers and users for their own benefit, then sure, I'd agree. But phones aren't awesome little PCs, they're…

> ut phones aren't awesome little PCs, they're zombifying the majority of the public. They also, incidentally, are insidious little snitches busy at work trying to monetize every single thing about our daily lives. Yes, and corporations are doing all the same stuff to our PCs as well.

There are more options on PCs to fight back with.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by xnx »

JBiserkov wrote: post #420
embedding-shape wrote: post #312

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> MS Media Player eventually fell behind the curve, but eventually we got VLC and things got great. And in-between those we had Media Player Classic together with the Combined Community Codec Pack, and once you had MPC + CCCP installed, you could finally view those glorious aXXo-branded 700MB files found on a random DC++ hub.

I'm still using the Media Player Classic Home Cinema to this day. https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc Never liked VLC, but that's just me.

It's insane that clicking on the video in the VLC interface does nothing. In every other app it is play/pause. There's a way to enable it deep in settings (or as a plugin?) but it should be the default.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by jorvi »

PuercoPop wrote: post #418
recursive wrote: post #259

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I use YouTube on a daily basis. I haven't seen any of these problems.

It is likely you use Chrome or a browser that uses Blink for its engine and the OP uses a non-blink browser like Firefox. I use Firefox and I can cofirm since the last few months Youtube usability borders on usable

They've also started to be really aggressive against VPNs. I've tried Private Internet Access, Mulvad and AirVPN and often I have to cycle through 5-15(!) servers before YouTube stops saying "sign in to confirm you're not a bot".

Discord has started to become absurdly aggressive with it too, to the point that they don't even let you load messages whilst logged in if you're on a VPN.

It really makes me feel like there will be an inflection point in a few years, where the internet is cleaved in two. You'll have the 'free' internet that is full of interesting stuff but also full of malware, spam and scams, and you'll have the squeaky clean corporate internet, basically a facsimile of WeChat's super-app, of which you'll only have access with a government ID. No VPNs or anti-fingerprinting allowed.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by zelphirkalt »

kawsper wrote: post #162
psychoslave wrote: post #116

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Yes, I see Youtube going deep into enshitiffication. On my Macbook this morning with a FF-dev edition it just stopped to work this morning. Don't know if it's related to the fact I tried to install an extension to "force H264" on my Ubuntu box. On the latter fans started to go crazy as soon as I open a single youtube tab lately and a quick research led me there. Actually at this point the only thing that makes the go…

It’s not just you. My Firefox, with no extensions, have struggled on YouTube the past weeks. Sometimes I can’t even click on the front page, sometimes when I open a video it refuses to play. I don’t know what’s up, but it works in chrome.

Probably just the typical nefarious activities of YouTube. Either "accidentally" driving users to switch browsers, or experimenting with circumventing ad blockers, or negligence in testing, or who knows what.

If they want the "Google has no browser monopoly!" claim, then they should be obligated to make their services work perfectly with the alternative, instead of subtly scheming and manipulating people.

One thing you can do is to use an invidious instance. Those don't support live streams and shorts, but at least you don't have to deal with the atrocious normal YouTube frontend.

Re: Yt-dlp: External JavaScript runtime now required for full YouTube support

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Post by ndriscoll »

linguae wrote: post #241
vladms wrote: post #164

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Indeed, the good old days when "optimizing for the user" got us... Windows 3.1 (release date April 6, 1992 , ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_vers... ) or the first version of Linux - which I did not have the honor to use but I can imagine how user friendly it was considering what I ended up using couple of years later ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux ) /s

We can have stable user-friendly software. We had a nice sweet spot in the early 2000s with Windows XP and Mac OS X: stable operating systems built on workstation-quality kernels (NT and Mach/BSD, respectively), and a userland that respected the user by providing distraction-free experiences and not trying to upsell the user. Users of workstations already experienced this in the 1990s (NeXT, Sun, SGI, HP, and PCs run…

We do of course still have this in modern computing with Linux/KDE. Stable, snappy, and does exactly what you ask. The computer doesn't get in your way, nor does it try to get you to do something else. It just does what you tell it to do, immediately.
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