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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by biinjo »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #373
biinjo wrote: post #346

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Care to elaborate on this? I get that iOS is a closed system but I’ve never felt limited by Apple in what I can do with my Macbook.

I guess the hardware is extremely locked down. That part is a drag. Application sharing limitations (needing to publish to the app store, more or less) still feels wrong after all these years. There's more but those are the ones that bother me with any frequency

Need to publish to the app store? I have precisely zero app store applications installed. All just downloaded DMGs from the vendor’s website.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by criddell »

colinprince wrote: post #192
criddell wrote: post #132

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Right after the launch of the original iPhone, Apple bought P.A. Semi for $27 billion to work on chips for future iPhones.

actually, $278 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.A._Semi

Oh right you are. I shouldn't trust my memory for trivia that old.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by carlosjobim »

kwanbix wrote: post #11
matdehaast wrote: post #8

It feels like Intel and AMD are asleep at the wheel with their mobile lineup. I've been looking at non-apple equivalents that have similar performance/power as the M lineup and it seems they all lag about 20%+. For $800 the M4 Air just seems like one of the best tech deals around.

If you are OK with the closed apple ecosystem, sure, but I mean, 20% is not that much for 99% of the population. Don't get me wrong, I really admire what apple has done with the M CPUs, but I personally prefer the freedom of being able to install linux, bsd, windows, and even weirder OSes like Haiku.

How about running your Linux and Windows etc virtually on a Mac? From what I've understood, people say it works great. But I haven't any experience myself.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by mort96 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #441
ktosobcy wrote: post #422

I like the rise of ARM… first AMD and then "PC world" followed suite with Snapdragon. With the latest Elite I think that my next machine (after MPB M1, which is still perfectly fine machine in 2025) will be PC laptop with ~Snapdragon (or something similar) with Linux... I'm fedup with Apples more and more stupid changes and limitations :/ (I actually disabled automatic updates to avoid LiquidTahoe!) For me cool and s…

> will be PC laptop with ~Snapdragon (or something similar) with Linux... Before you do that really research the exact model you plan on buying, and how much support it truly has in Linux. Qualcomm has not exactly lived up to their own hyped intentions of good support on Linux, and that provides a foundation of sand for hardware vendors to further drop the ball on when it comes to Linux support. Apparently, some mode…

100%. A huge issue with the ARM ecosystem is that there's no widely adopted UEFI-like standard, so there's no runtime discovery of hardware configuration and things like the booting process and partitioning are extremely different between different machines. You pretty much need a Linux image built specifically for the particular hardware, unlike in the x86 world where you just need a Linux image which can boot using UEFI and discover all relevant hardware through either UEFI, ACPI and PCI.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by criddell »

dangus wrote: post #288
criddell wrote: post #123

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I’ve found that the $1000 Mac laptop is worth about $500 after 3 years and the $500 laptop is worth $50. The price difference over time really isn’t that big and the Mac is going to have a better trackpad and display and longer battery life.

That just means that the not-Mac is way more accessible. The high resale value makes Macs more expensive overall for everybody. Also a lot of people prefer windows. It’s got a lot more applications than Mac. It has way more historical enterprise support and management capability as well. If you had a Mac at a big company 20 years ago the IT tooling was trash compared to windows. It’s probably still inferior to this d…

> It’s got a lot more applications than Mac.

The Mac can (legally) run more software than any other computer. Aside from macOS software, there's a bunch of iOS and iPadOS software that you can run, and you can run a Windows, Linux, and Android software via VMs.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by criddell »

bogdart wrote: post #223
criddell wrote: post #19

I bought an M4 iPad Pro and ended up returning it because I just don't like the magic keyboard. My current iPad is from 2018 and I use the Smart Keyboard Folio and (for me) it's just about perfect. Small, lightweight, not too expensive, easy to clean, and works great. I've been hoping there were enough people like me that a third party would make a replacement but that never happened. I know my current iPad Pro won't…

Just don't update it to iOs 26, for me it became unusable.

I already did and it seems fine to me. I don't really notice much difference.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by satellitemx »

seec wrote: post #402
satellitemx wrote: post #279

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Cinebench 2024 takes considerably longer to finish and would saturate the whatever possible heat headroom the device has. It can be treated as an accurate reading. Chart below is the aggregated result from CPU-monkey, Geekerwan's chip analysis, devices of my own and various other reports. Apple M1 series 3.2GHz 5W: ~115 Apple M2 series 3.5GHz 5W: ~120 Apple M3 series 4GHz 7.5W: ~140 Apple M4 series 4.4GHz 7.5W: ~170…

Using Cinebench single score to compare desktop chips is very dishonest. It's an extremely parallel benchmark, where many powerful cores get you a much better score. For example, the M4 does get around 170 single, but the Snapdragon X2E gets just under 2000 for multi, over double what the M4 scores. If your application is relevant to Cinebench, the X2E is a better CPU for that. To match the X2E you need to go up to t…

It’s to compare core architecture brother. The fact is Apple’s core has best IPC, has best efficiency, has best peak performance.

And you put out a long long long post to point out what everyone understands: putting more cores in and running at a lower frequency would yield better efficiency at full load… that’s why we got to the point in today’s x86 laptops, a single core running at full speed already exceeds sustained multicore power target (28-60w depend on device class) because Intel and AMD has no other way to up the performance other than adding more cores.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by criddell »

Rohansi wrote: post #228
criddell wrote: post #119

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> Most people would rather have a budget system The low end of the market is for sure bigger but I think Apple has shown that the higher end can be profitable too. Dell, HP, Lenovo, and the other big laptop makers aren't afraid of having a thousand different SKUs. They could add one more for a higher end machine that's fanless.

Most of those SKUs are component swaps. A proper passively cooled laptop would require a completely different chassis design to act as an extension of the heatsink. I bought a MacBook Air because it was cheaper and met my needs. Being passively cooled was just a nice bonus.

As someone who has been buying Think Pads for the past 20 years, Lenovo needs to spend more time working on thermals anyway. If I don't power my laptop down before stuffing it in my backpack, I'll have a hot, almost dead machine by the time I get to my destination.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by torginus »

kakacik wrote: post #440
torginus wrote: post #438

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Dunno I remember reading an article about one of the first Snapdragon PCs - they concluded that while the CPU side was pretty good (including, surprisingly availablity of native ARM ports, and x86 emulation), the GPU was far behind typical PC offerings in sophistication, and was unable to run the complex and compute shader heavy workloads required by modern games, shader compilers were buggy, and advanced features we…

You get cca the same graphics as top android phones get, which is pretty decent. Of course it won't compete with 5090 but who would expect that

That's the whole point - these GPUs have impressive paper scores, but are designed with traditional, outdated ideas of shader pipelines in mind, and either cannot support flexible modern shading models/compute, or these features have tons of bugs, or end up being being much slower than the paper specs would suggest.

Essentially they can't run most PC games/ graphics software made in the past decade

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by dangus »

criddell wrote: post #465
dangus wrote: post #288

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That just means that the not-Mac is way more accessible. The high resale value makes Macs more expensive overall for everybody. Also a lot of people prefer windows. It’s got a lot more applications than Mac. It has way more historical enterprise support and management capability as well. If you had a Mac at a big company 20 years ago the IT tooling was trash compared to windows. It’s probably still inferior to this d…

> It’s got a lot more applications than Mac. The Mac can (legally) run more software than any other computer. Aside from macOS software, there's a bunch of iOS and iPadOS software that you can run, and you can run a Windows, Linux, and Android software via VMs.

Yeah…I don’t think so. Moving the goalposts to include Parallels/VMs and iOS/iPadOS apps that lack a touch screen on on Mac and are frequently blocked from being run on Mac by developers doesn’t count.

Let’s not forget that you’re now talking about buying a $100/year license; in just a few years you could buy a whole Windows computer with a permanent license for that money.

And if you’re going to talk about how great VMs are on Mac we can’t leave out how it’s the worst Docker/podman platform available.

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