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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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As a Brit. Good - cause the maximum amount of pain, start pulling services across the board - the more it happens the more painful it becomes for the government to defend it.

There was a fair bit of pain in 2014 when ISPs proxied non-https Imgur to do IWF filtering (and broke it). Yet here we are!

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Right, but the UK is saying they'll fine Imgur even after Imgur blocked access. At that point, what tooth does the fine have? "You must pay this fine if you want to, err, nothing I guess"?

Honestly, that's the most noteworthy part of this. The EU hasn't pursued any site that just blocks EU access (see any number of US sites than aren't GDPR compliant and I can't access from Europe). The UK is threatening to do something nobody else has really done before. It's crazy, imo, because I can see a whole lot of sites immediately blocking the UK to avoid any potential litigation.

> The UK is threatening to do something nobody else has really done before.

And what is that exactly?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> feel enough pain to contact their representatives It doesn't work like that because the European "Parliament" is a joke. For starters, they can't initiate anything, they can only approve or reject (of course that it's almost always approve) stuff that is being passed to them from higher up, most of the times from the European Commission, if I'm not mistaken. Ah, they can pass/generate "resolutions", which are basic…

>Second, the people there don't "represent" anyone, I think that's largely down to people not taking EU elections as seriously as national elections. The ones elected by my country are always largely the most doldrum people from the main parties that aren't charismatic enough to win in national elections (The b-squad basically) ... and a handful of the kind of people that think windfarms generate wind and that we nee…

> I think that's largely down to people not taking EU elections as seriously as national elections.

No, they don't represent anyone because we, the European people, are voting based on lists, we do not select our own "representatives" by name and surname. This "contact your representative" trope is an American thingie, which, like many American thingies, has no place outside of its original context.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Lots of the top comments talking about how Imgur can stay out of the UK more easily and not about how Imgur can comply with the law and protect children's data. Why is it always that regulation is the problem, not the company being irresponsible with data.

Every "protect the children" law is just a gaslight attempt to push a package of other Orwelian laws. It's been like that for atleast half a century - even Simpsons parodied this with "think of the children" back in 1997.

It's good companies are walking out of jurisdictions where FUD is the basis of a law.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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The UK government does not care. The law applies no matter where you are hosted, where you are incorporated or who is proxiying you. >You do not need to abide by UK laws, even if your website is accessible from there. The UK government does not agree.

But its still not the UK government's decision. They don't have sovereignty over other nations, as much as they'd like to think they do. All they can legally do is bitch and moan and order UK ISPs to block. There's no action they can legally take against Imgur.

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Lots of the top comments talking about how Imgur can stay out of the UK more easily and not about how Imgur can comply with the law and protect children's data. Why is it always that regulation is the problem, not the company being irresponsible with data.

Why are children on the internet? Why are the parents not being fined for being irresponsible? Give the kids a loaded gun, its the same as giving them access to the internet. The internet is not a place for children to begin with. Why try to bend the internet to conform? It will destroy the internet as it is as well as all it's freedoms. Oh and it probably won't stop/protect them, as thousands of new sites come & go every year, so impossible to control. Its better to try regulate the children than to regulate the internet.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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I’ll take your relative minor concerns over privacy over the freedom less, police state the US is becoming.

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Canceling universities because they don’t say what he wants is freedom? What about deploying the army to major cities?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

Or, just ban children from the internet, same as gun ownership for 12yo's. Fine/imprison parents. This is a parenting problem, not a technical/business problem. Remove the supply of children and things will get better. A business cannot make laws or override laws with ToS and invent their own moral compasses - rather it is the sole responsibility of the parent on what their child gets exposed to (whether politics, porn, weird beliefs, spam, chat/user generated content). The parents have been getting a free pass all this time.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Oppan North Korean Style. In Poland we had no access to "western" electronics since 1989 because we had been part of the "Warsaw Pact" i.e. subordinate to USSR. This was hard, so I pity for you guys in UK

> In Poland we had no access to "western" electronics since 1989 I think you meant "until 1989"

Nope. He's typing that from an old Amiga over a 600 baud connection.
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