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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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With polls the questions you ask matter a lot. I don't read this poll as being about illegal immigration but someone else might (e.g. you did). That is worth splitting out as a separate question. But asking that risks getting answers you don't like, e.g. my bet would be most Americans would not support the idea that anyone can just come and stay in the US illegally without going through any process, i.e. an open bord…

> I don't read this poll as being about illegal immigration but someone else might (e.g. you did). Almost every question was about illegal immigration. They ask some top-level questions about overall immigration, then ask a series of other questions about illegal immigration, border enforcement, etc.

I just read through all the questions again.

There are questions about people present in the US illegally but not about people being allowed to come to the US illegally.

When I say illegal immigration I'm mostly thinking of the question of whether people should be allowed to come into a country illegally and generally immigration laws that govern people immigrating to the country. The question of how to deal with people who are present, maybe for a long time, in the country illegally is a different one. But I can see how in the US those are sort of mashed together. There's an obvious relationship, e.g. if you say that someone present in a country illegally should be allowed to stay and become a citizen that basically means new people arriving (let's say as tourists or not entering via official entry points) can just stay and become citizens. But I think in the US it's generally debated as two separate questions, i.e. people that are present (especially for a long time, families, etc.) should have a path to become legal immigrants. I'm not here to really debate this but more to point out those are somewhat different questions.

Let's review everything just to make sure we're not missing anything:

"Thinking now about immigrants — that is, people who come from other countries to live here in the United States — in your view, should immigration be kept at its present level, increased or decreased?" -> legal immigration (presumably, or at least ambiguous)

"On the whole, do you think immigration is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?" -> legal immigration (again, presumably)

"Please tell me whether you strongly favor, favor, oppose or strongly oppose each of the following proposals. " -> This one is more of a mix but the question of whether people support illegal immigration isn't really addressed. There are questions about how people who are present in the US illegally should be treated and about things like border security which has some tangents to illegal immigration (presumably a border is there to stop illegal immigration, but also to stop smuggling and other reasons, but why not just ask if people want open borders?)

"Figures represent percentages who favor or strongly favor each policy." -> similar to the above, dealing with the question of those present in the US illegally not the question of more people coming into the US and whether that should be via current legal means or "open border everyone is welcome with no process".

"Do you strongly approve, approve, disapprove or strongly disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling the immigration issue?" -> not really clear enough but feels like another permutation of the above. dealing with people present illegally and not general immigration policy questions (who should be able to come and who shouldn't).

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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No, democracy is supposed to be two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. What you’re talking about are the anti-democratic measures the founders put in place because they didn’t trust democracy. Look, it’s hardly settled that “democracy” is a good thing. The founders didn’t think it was—they restricted the franchise to property owners, and provided for indirect election of the president and appointment…

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that democracy means deciding policy based on opinion polls. This is not how democracies work in practice, and opinion polls often show that most people don't want policy dictated solely by opinion polls. Democracy is a governmental system where political power is vested in the people. It is characterized by competitive elections and the safeguarding of human rights[1]. It is…

Elections are not a necessary part of democracy as you can have a democracy through sortition as well, like they did in some parts of ancient Greece.

Other than that, yeah.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Immigration exploded after Brexit. While the official line was "Let's keep the riffraff out". the reality was that the Tories used Brexit to bring in plenty of cheap labour from specific countries, and the income requirements are applied very selectively. Foreign students were also encouraged to study here and remain after studying. Initially even family reunion immigration was encouraged, although that's changed now…

And yet, insanely, the Tories still get called "anti-immigration". They were the most pro-immigration government in British history, by far.

Another explanation is that they were 100% anti-immigration but also 200% incompetent at implementing their own goals.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

Few people actually know what "authoritarian" means, and are mostly just repeating things they've heard and intend to mean as "leaders doing things I don't personally like." A strict definition of "authoritarian" [1] doesn't fit the current US administration at all in many ways, since they've focused their attention on tearing down government, not building it up. In some ways they demand stricter enforcement of (pre-…

> intend to mean as "leaders doing things I don't personally like."

If enough people use the word "authoritarian" like that, then that's what it means.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back before the deadline, or stay where you are until further notice.

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Companies have rights in the US, you can't just keep their employees out.

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Yea why wouldn’t Satya or Microsoft be able to call the president’s office and figure out how to pay the fee? Set aside this “nudge nudge wink wink” stuff - I’m providing a solution to the acute issue, not a moral judgement. Looks like it was sorted https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/20/donald-trump-h1b-vi...

"A breathtaking level of corruption" is not a solution.

That’s a separate point and unrelated to my post.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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>lands 25mins after the deadline I'd rather just have waited until an injunction or something next week. The guidance from my company is either make it back before the deadline, or stay where you are until further notice.

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companies are contacting employees who are out of the US, for whatever reason

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Most of Europe, Central and South America, Canada, Australia, Japan, India, South Korea - the majority of the world that could not already be described as authoritarian

People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

a quick google search for "modi authoritarian" would have given you tons of hits talking about it, with documented incidents and policies to back them up. calling it "just not liking modi" does the people justifiably alarmed about what he is doing to the country a great disservice.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Why do you think they would not close the position in USA if immigrants are not an option anymore? If Indian developer cannot obtain a visa in Microsoft they will simply recruit the same person to the office in India.

If it's so easy to recruit for the Indian office, why go through the trouble of getting an H1-B in the first place?

Same reason why they go through all troubles to force RTO: to keep people around in the office to justify position of the manager.
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