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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

handoflixue wrote: post #266
tziki wrote: post #257

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Exactly this. Top 1% of artists earn about as much as the average software engineer. Ranking people purely based on salary is turning h1b into a visa for people in specific professions.

Genuinely curious: why do we need H1B visas for artists? My understanding is that H1B visas are meant to cover highly-skilled work that can't be done by locals, and "art" doesn't seem like a field with a shortage of local candidates?

You're not genuinely curious because it's obviously stupid that we'd need H1B visas for artists.

If their art's got enough value to be valuable in the real sense, they're well above all this. Otherwise they're nothing.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

colmmacc wrote: post #406
handoflixue wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely curious: why do we need H1B visas for artists? My understanding is that H1B visas are meant to cover highly-skilled work that can't be done by locals, and "art" doesn't seem like a field with a shortage of local candidates?

Interestingly, there's a whole category of H1B visas just for fashion models. H-1B3, which is for models with "distinguished merit and ability". A famous supermodel can most likely get an O1 visa, for people of extraordinary ability. But agency models more commonly work on H1-B. Melania Trump is a famous example. These visas are tied to an employer and there's less portability. It's a two tier system. Personally I th…

That visa is literally the "hot chicks are OK" visa. Melania Trump is a famous example.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

breadwinner wrote: post #329
tziki wrote: post #257

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Exactly this. Top 1% of artists earn about as much as the average software engineer. Ranking people purely based on salary is turning h1b into a visa for people in specific professions.

How about ranking on salary but by profession, so there should be a separate rank for software engineers vs. biomedical researchers.

I now write code related to biomedical research. Checkmate

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

scheme271 wrote: post #332
fakedang wrote: post #261

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Top 1% of artists have the O1 route, not the H1B route. Tying H1B to salary is imo a reasonable solution for most companies. Thing is, in that case, most companies would simply resort to bringing in more L1 employees.

L1 employees require that the company employ the person for a year at an international branch so this is only available to multi-national companies.

Guess the cost of becoming a "multinational company" with a presence in a given country if they want to.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by [deleted] »

fuzztester wrote: post #437
overfeed wrote: post #313

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> It’s interesting that the U.S. picked an employer-driven model... Health insurance, parental leave† and retirement are also employer-driven. This seems to be a US default that incidentally gives a lot of leverage to employers. † Yes there are government mandated minimums, but when compared to other developed countries, substantive parental leave is largely left to the generosity of the employer

why did it work out that way in the US?

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #425
thephyber wrote: post #310

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Why get hung out on the example profession and not the fact that some jobs pay drastically disproportionate rates? Linus developed Linux, but we wouldn’t be able to hire the next version of him because hedge funds would dominate the high salary reqs in this hypothetical system.

If you cannot pay for it, it means it is not important enough. Maybe that is the problem, you want exceptional talent for pennies.

That sounds true enough for coastals to downvote you for.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by jalapenos »

malfist wrote: post #270
tziki wrote: post #257

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Exactly this. Top 1% of artists earn about as much as the average software engineer. Ranking people purely based on salary is turning h1b into a visa for people in specific professions.

Does the US have such a shortage of artistic talent we have to hire abroad for it?

AI literally produces more mesmerising art, for pennies, than an artist ever could, because their whole shtick was "out-there visual concepts", which was a wide open space of anything that's "not normal", which now and AI can pump out copiously.

Artistic talent is not important.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by srameshc »

tmule wrote: post #278
srameshc wrote: post #46

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I don't think so. I feel Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians. If they have to favor Hindu, Brahmin, Muslim is very subjective, depending on that person's background, but I would say very rare. If they really have a prefrence, it will be "the connect", like if they both can connect based on region (ex: Delhi or that region) but very few Indians of current generation would care about caste o…

This is a remarkable claim. Not a single Indian in tech that I know in my personal or professional life - numbering over a hundred - has ever disputed that Indians have strong (sub)ethnic affinities that color their views hiring. In addition, nepotism is a real thing in Indian culture. I’d be laughed out of a room with aforesaid folks if I claimed “Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians”. Thi…

> Not a single Indian in tech that I know in my personal or professional life

Your dataset is very small. I come from India

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by insane_dreamer »

I understand and sympathize with the interest in keeping American jobs for Americans first, if there aren't enough to go around. Generally makes sense. I feel the same way about my kids chances of getting into a good state college (increasingly difficult when you're competing against kids from the whole world).

But it's the height of stupidity to employ ICE "thugs" to hunt down and round up poor laborers doing jobs that most Americans don't want to do, while letting big companies hire lots of foreigners on H1Bs for SWE jobs, while at the same time you have Americans graduating from college and unable to find jobs.

The US should get rid of ICE and drop the H1B program altogether -- (maybe with some narrow exceptions and not even sure about that). For exceptionally talented people wanting to work in the US there's the EB1 and EB2 programs. That would both largely solve the "illegals are taking our jobs!" problem and stop us acting like some 3rd world police state with masked police acting like the Stasi.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by insane_dreamer »

1024core wrote: post #202

A lot of these problems could be solved if H1-B's were given out in order of salary (I think there's such a proposal going around recently). And by that I mean: something like a Dutch auction. Give H1-Bs to the top 85K paying jobs (maybe normalized to SoL in the region, I'm sure the BLS has some idea on how to do it). The lure of H1-Bs is the money savings, and the fact that if you're on an H1-B, you're practically a…

I think we should get rid of H1B altogether. We have EB1 and EB2 for exceptionally talented individuals (and other programs for post-docs, J-visas, L1-visa for companies transferring their own people around, etc.).
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