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Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by attendant3446 »

arccy wrote: post #111
stackskipton wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, courts disagree with your assessment and so do I. Yes, AI is a threat to Google. How much a threat remains to be seen. From normies I know, most of them are just using Gemini or whatever is on Google front page. They are not starting most of their searches on OpenAI or other ones.

ChatGPT feels like it's in a lot of day to day conversations these days, you even hear people mention it on the street in non tech cities

Another thing I've noticed is that many people refer to everything as 'ChatGPT', regardless of which 'AI' they're using.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by littlecranky67 »

jeffhwang wrote: post #244
IshKebab wrote: post #116

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AI is a competitor. You know how StackOverflow is dead because AI provided an alternative? That's happening in search too. You might think "but ChatGPT isn't a search engine", and that's true. It can't handle all queries you might use a search engine for, e.g. if you want to find a particular website. But there are many many queries that it can handle. Here's just a few from my recent history: * How do I load a share…

I personally have moved almost all my Stack Overflow usage to LLMs. Just wondering if other folks have done the same…

I have moved almost all of my internet search to LLMs (bing chat and perplexity, both work without login with firefox tmp containers).

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by lazide »

harmmonica wrote: post #423
qnleigh wrote: post #401

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> Structural load calculations for a post in a house You're relying on ChatGPT for this? How do you check the result? That sounds kind of dangerous...

Not dangerous in this implementation. I knew going in there was likely significant margin for error. I would not rely on ChatGPT if I was endangering myself, my people or anyone else for that matter (though this project is at my place). That said, the word "relying" is taking it too far. I'm relying on myself to be able to vet what ChatGPT is telling me. And the great thing about ChatGPT and Gemini, at least the way…

Nothing about what you are describing sounds sane or legal in most jurisdictions. You still need a structural engineer. None of the sources you are describing are reliable.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by attendant3446 »

x0x0 wrote: post #237
stackskipton wrote: post #30

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Feels like judge was looking for any excuse not to apply harsh penalty and since Google brought up AI as competitor, the judge accepted it as acceptable excuse for very minor penalty.

While I'd love to see google harshly penalized, nobody has proposed an answer that doesn't end with the destruction of essentially the world's only browser. Or it's sale to extremely sketchy people, which I guess also ends in destruction plus with OpenAI or whomever buys it hoovering up as much personal data as they can. So I get not liking this answer, but I haven't heard a better one.

Yeah, without Google's funding, Firefox could be in trouble, but I doubt it will be destroyed. And nobody is selling it. Or what 'only' browser are you talking about? xD

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by komali2 »

Hansenq wrote: post #31

This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me. An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The b…

> Forcing Google to give up one of its best products is effectively eminent domain by the government to a private company.

What's wrong with that?

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Post by sfdlkj3jk342a »

dns_snek wrote: post #422
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #406

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Chatgpt, Grok and the likes give an overall better experience than Google because they give you the answer, not links to some pages where you might find the answer. So unless I'm explicitly searching for something, like some article, asking Grok is faster and gets you an acceptable answer.

You get an acceptable answer maybe about 60% of the time, assuming most of your questions are really simple. The other 40% of the time it's complete nonsense dressed up as a reasonable answer.

Have you used Grok or ChatGPT in the last year? I can't remember the last time I got a nonsense response. Do you have a recent example?

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by darkwater »

arccy wrote: post #111
stackskipton wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, courts disagree with your assessment and so do I. Yes, AI is a threat to Google. How much a threat remains to be seen. From normies I know, most of them are just using Gemini or whatever is on Google front page. They are not starting most of their searches on OpenAI or other ones.

ChatGPT feels like it's in a lot of day to day conversations these days, you even hear people mention it on the street in non tech cities

ChatGPT has for sure the "first mover" strength for normies (you can hear it mentioned in TV, radio and in the street, but also lot of people just talk about "AI". So, IMO there is still space to be used as "the AI" rather then specifically ChatGPT. It might also just be always referred to "ChatGPT" when talking about another provider, just like people saying "Kleenex" when referring to tissues.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by attendant3446 »

Hansenq wrote: post #31

This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me. An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The b…

Most popular != the best. The days when Chrome was the best browser are long gone.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

attendant3446 wrote: post #468
Hansenq wrote: post #31

This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me. An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The b…

Most popular != the best. The days when Chrome was the best browser are long gone.

It depends on the criteria for "best" though, to be pedantic. Chrome and Edge are for example "the best" in synthetic benchmarks.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

swiftcoder wrote: post #446
Hansenq wrote: post #31

This seems like a very sensible and logical conclusion by the judge to me. An exclusive contract with Apple/Samsung isn't great, but even Apple testified that they would not have accepted any other searcch engine because everyone else was worse. You can't make restrictions on what Apple is allowed to do because Google violated some law--if Apple wants to make Google the default, they should be allowed to do so! The b…

> Google started, developed, and built Chrome This is perhaps a tad ahistorical. Google forked Blink off from WebKit around 2013 - it owes a lot of it's early success to the same technical foundations as Safari (which in turns owes the same debt to Konqueror...)

That's the rendering engine, which was one part of their early success; the other part was the V8 Javascript engine which was miles ahead of the competition in terms of performance.
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