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Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by lyu07282 »

thrance wrote: post #454
lyu07282 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pair the controllers in the settings you don't need an app. Their VR UX does suck that is true, and horizon worlds is such a collosal failure that I'm surprised they haven't cancelled that entirely yet. But carmack also stated the technical issues numerous times.

No you can't? By their own documentation, you have to use the app: https://www.meta.com/fr-fr/help/quest/967070027432609/ And my quick search on the internet yielded no other mean to pair controllers.

thats so weird, i have both the quest 2 and 3 and don't remember doing that at all but yeah looks like I'm wrong

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by mastermage »

frognumber wrote: post #432

John describes exactly what I'd like someone to build: "To make something really different, and not get drawn into the gravity well of existing solutions, you practically need an isolated monastic order of computer engineers." As a thought experiment: * Pick a place where cost-of-living is $200/month * Set up a village which is very livable. Fresh air. Healthy food. Good schools. More-or-less for the cost that someon…

Honestly sounds like a very cool Science fiction concept.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by xeonmc »

ivolimmen wrote: post #430
wolvesechoes wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that true for every big corp, or even every public company? Even if founders may had some other goals in addition to making money, as the time passes profit becomes the only goal, and usually more profit is being generated while doing bad and malicious things. Problem is systemic.

I think I can say that this wasn't the case with Sun Microsystems. I never worked there but everything I read on tht company was positive. I gate the fact that Oracle (one of the worst) bought them.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by formerly_proven »

atiedebee wrote: post #451
xxs wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd take zstd any time while I have facebook and friends blocked. The world is not black and white.

zstd can't really be attributed to Facebook. Yann Collet started work on it before joining Facebook, so it was kind of imported. I am sure it made developing and standardizing the algorithm easier, but what makes it such a good (performant) algorithm is the design of the original creator.

On the other hand, the patent licensing kerfuffle (which I don't think was about any existing patents, just "standard policy") through the relicensing by Facebook was a drag on zstd's momentum.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

procaryote wrote: post #387

The problem when working for Meta is that if you do a good job, you've helped make the world worse... so the real heroes are the people wasting money and reducing efficiency If you're at all competent, go work somewhere else

That’s an extremely reductive view.

Whatever you think of Meta core products, they pay a ton of people to work on various open source projects, do R&D on things which are only tangentially related to social media like VR or data center tech.

There is worse way to get a paycheck to do what you are interested in.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by simoncion »

theshackleford wrote: post #324
simoncion wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s also super rude to make claims as to what occurred and why in any situation you yourself were not privy to or involved in... Do you know that that's what's going on here?

Yes. Seems pretty clear from the post to me that they are making assumptions based on a similar event in their past, not that they were involved first hand in this event.

>> Do you know that that's what's going on here?

> Yes. Seems pretty clear from the post to me that they are making assumptions...

So you don't know what's going on; you're assuming. Cool.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

anttiharju wrote: post #413
wolvesechoes wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that true for every big corp, or even every public company? Even if founders may had some other goals in addition to making money, as the time passes profit becomes the only goal, and usually more profit is being generated while doing bad and malicious things. Problem is systemic.

Nokia (mostly networking-related things nowadays) touts - or at least used to, haven't kept up to date - itself as one of the most ethical companies around. > But isn't that true for every big corp, or even every public company? So I suppose not really, no. Additionally companies working on carbon-free energy might also serve as evidence. There are some big ones around.

> Additionally companies working on carbon-free energy might also serve as evidence. There are some big ones around.

Interesting exemple because the biggest investors in renewable by far are big oil companies.

So what should people do? Go or not go? Sadly, the world is never black and white.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by Garlef »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #465
procaryote wrote: post #387

The problem when working for Meta is that if you do a good job, you've helped make the world worse... so the real heroes are the people wasting money and reducing efficiency If you're at all competent, go work somewhere else

That’s an extremely reductive view. Whatever you think of Meta core products, they pay a ton of people to work on various open source projects, do R&D on things which are only tangentially related to social media like VR or data center tech. There is worse way to get a paycheck to do what you are interested in.

"It wasn't all bad. They built the Autobahn"

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by foldr »

toast0 wrote: post #183
foldr wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like he got reported for giving a lot of what might kindly be described as unsolicited advice. The guy left Meta ages ago, but he apparently still can't let this one go. If you're in the middle of trying to write a new operating system, then it's probably not helpful to have John Carmack standing over you repeatedly telling you that you shouldn't be doing it. In this case Carmack…

> If you're in the middle of trying to write a new operating system, then it's probably not helpful to have John Carmack standing over you repeatedly telling you that you shouldn't be doing it. In this case Carmack gets the last laugh. Then again, it is easy to get the last laugh by predicting that a project will fail, given that most projects do. I mean, if you're working on a project that is likely to fail, wouldn'…

The people working on it may not have agreed that it was likely to fail.

But in any case, almost all interesting projects are likely to fail. Of course it is objectively unlikely that a project to write a new OS will succeed. I expect the people working on it were aware of that.

Re: John Carmack's arguments against building a custom XR OS at Meta

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Post by LunaSea »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #465
procaryote wrote: post #387

The problem when working for Meta is that if you do a good job, you've helped make the world worse... so the real heroes are the people wasting money and reducing efficiency If you're at all competent, go work somewhere else

That’s an extremely reductive view. Whatever you think of Meta core products, they pay a ton of people to work on various open source projects, do R&D on things which are only tangentially related to social media like VR or data center tech. There is worse way to get a paycheck to do what you are interested in.

> tangentially related to social media like VR

This is in no way tangential.

VR is Meta's way of trying to move social media from web to VR in a Second Life way.

And you can believe me that there will be advertisement in the "game".

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