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I Am An AI Hater

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Post by lif »

Mallowram wrote: post #85
danielbln wrote: post #39

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AI is information.

Even Shannon knew the limits of information late in career. AI is not information, it's signaling. And it embeds without decipherment or segregating dominance, bias, control, manipulation. The dark matter of language we can't extract. "Shannon warned in 1956 that information theory “has perhaps been ballooned to an importance beyond its actual accomplishments” and that information theory is “not necessarily relevant…

Signaling? That is correct. Also, am willing to place a _very_ long bet that clay tablets will be around longer.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by ACCount37 »

rsynnott wrote: post #445
ACCount37 wrote: post #274

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We don't know if existing AI systems are "conscious". Or, for that matter, if an ECU in a year 2002 Toyota Hilux is. We don't even know for certain if all humans are conscious either. It could be another one of those things that we once thought everyone has, but then it turned out that 10% of people somehow make do without. With how piss poor our ability to detect consciousness is? If you decide to give a fuck, then…

Unless you're defining 'consciousness' so broadly that you consider it an open question whether a parsnip is conscious, yeah, no, we do kinda know. They're not.

If a parsnip was conscious, how would we know?

Conversely: how do we know that it isn't?

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Post by petralithic »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #436
petralithic wrote: post #288

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Curious technology? People were foaming at the mouth about "license concerns" when GitHub Copilot was first announced, saying they're going to boycott Microsoft. But just like all things, over time people realize they're not as good or bad as initially thought. I noticed this too with media generation, people on Twitter were very mad about it and now many of them use Photoshop's AI features.

Are you sure they're the same people?

They asked about general trends so it doesn't matter if it's the same people or not as long as the average sentiment has changed.

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Post by _Algernon_ »

petralithic wrote: post #451
_Algernon_ wrote: post #435

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Talk about missing the point…

More like just presenting a meme isn't a real argument, so there's not really any point you're making to miss.

If you practiced some media literacy, you'd realize that (a) there is a point to that meme and (b) that there is a reason why you are on the receiving end of it.

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Post by jurking_hoff »

petralithic wrote: post #336
Timwi wrote: post #310

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You are also free to give away all your money and not participate in capitalism if you wish. Wait, are you sure?

Yes, if you don't want to participate in capitalism, you're free to live in the woods and homestead.

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Post by jibal »

petralithic wrote: post #338
jacquesm wrote: post #313

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> I still don't get why you don't see it as a tool and not the creator itself. If after 33 comments in this thread and countless people trying to explain a part of it you don't get it that may be because you either don't want to get it or are unable to get it. Restating it one more time is not going to make a difference and I'm perfectly ok with you not 'getting it', so don't worry about it. AI without real art as in…

Or perhaps your initial premise ("AI without real art as input is noise") is simply wrong. By "get it," I'm trying to understand why you'd believe such a premise, yes even after 33 comments, because there is no underlying rationale to it, or rather, you never state it in a direct manner.

Some people are simply irrational, and there's no point trying to point out to them their logic errors.

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Post by sarchertech »

ACCount37 wrote: post #421
sarchertech wrote: post #413

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Take your analogy a step farther, and let’s say we could create human slaves who love being slaves. Based on your moral system, there is nothing wrong with that. However even if something is created with specific preferences, consciousness means it’s potentially capable of self reflection. That opens the door to developing a preference for or against work and for or against existing.

Humans already made dogs.

Should we be working on genetic engineering to make dogs as smart as people with the goal that they should continue working for us as servants?

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Post by jibal »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #276
perching_aix wrote: post #92

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To honor the "spirit" of OP's post: I looked up Picasso's Guernica now out of curiosity. I don't understand what's so great about this artwork . Or why it would represent any of the things you mention. It just looks like deranged pencilwork. It also comes across as aggressively pretentious. What makes that any better than some highly derivative AI generated rubbish I connect to about the same amount?

nazis held the same believe.

Fallacy of affirming the consequent.

"Nazis ate food ... ugh to food!"

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Post by grantcas »

ACCount37 wrote: post #274
sarchertech wrote: post #212

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OpenAI openly has a goal to build AGI. We don't know if AGI without consciousness is possible. Some people think that it's not. Many people certainly think that consciousness might be an emergent property that comes along with AGI. >AI industry doesn't push for "consciousness" in any way. What AI industry is trying to build is more capable systems. If you're being completely literal, no one wants slaves. They want wh…

We don't know if existing AI systems are "conscious". Or, for that matter, if an ECU in a year 2002 Toyota Hilux is. We don't even know for certain if all humans are conscious either. It could be another one of those things that we once thought everyone has, but then it turned out that 10% of people somehow make do without. With how piss poor our ability to detect consciousness is? If you decide to give a fuck, then…

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