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Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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The irony about getting treatment for ADHD is that medical providers make it very hard to get the proper medication and treatment. People with ADHD are horrible at following through and handle rejection poorly. So the worse the ADHD is, the less likely somebody will be able to actually get treatment for it. A lot of people suffer because doctors fear losing their license like so many did during the pain pill debacle.…

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Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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One neurotypical I know who took 20mg of Adderall IR ended up going into a hyperfocused ‘can’t look away from the road’ 12+ hour road trip without stopping and couldn’t sleep for 3 days afterwards. An ADHD’er I know who did the same thing, took a nap instead, and then actually started their taxes. These are not the same thing.

Not doubting you but… how? Adderall leaves your system in like 4 hours. The half life is crazy short and it’s extremely noticeable when it happens. I don’t understand how someone would fail to sleep for 3 days, or even hyper focus for 12 hours, when the drug is going to be completely gone from their system and not affecting them a fraction of the time into that period. Are you sure it wasn’t something else or they di…

Extended release. Those fucking things would keep me up for 3 days. If I take a the same dose of instant release, it'll be worn off at the end of the day and I'll sleep like a log. They say it wears off in 4 hours, but a single dose keeps working all day for me. Depends on how you metabolize it.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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The irony about getting treatment for ADHD is that medical providers make it very hard to get the proper medication and treatment. People with ADHD are horrible at following through and handle rejection poorly. So the worse the ADHD is, the less likely somebody will be able to actually get treatment for it. A lot of people suffer because doctors fear losing their license like so many did during the pain pill debacle.…

There are non-stimulant ADHD meds as well. Most of us don't get a chance to try all of them. In fact, I was surprised to learn that Adderall is highly illegal in many countries, including Japan and South Korea( ), both of which have a higher standard of healthcare, and a much longer life expectancy, than the US does. In other words, they're not anti-health. ( ) In theory, you can bring Adderall into South Korea with…

They're kind of famous for having bad mental health care and high suicide rates.

I can survive without ADHD meds, but life is a whole lot easier and a lot more enjoyable with them.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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post #455

Anecdotally, I've found that taking a tablespoon of Apple cider vinegar with water once a day has had positive effects on my ADHD symptoms. I've been doing this for the past 2 months and I notice I'm more focused, and less anxious. I started taking it to fix my gut issues, but after a few days, I noticed my ADHD symptoms were suddenly minimal.

I've also noticed that fasting has a positive effect in this way. It wouldn't be too surprising for the gut to play a role in ADHD experience since it is involved in regulation of various neurotransmitters.

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I was diagnosed with ADHD in my early 30s and prescribed Concerta to help manage it For a few years being medicated for ADHD was a godsend. I was finally able to be more productive and focus on work, my career took off in a huge way, I've literally tripled my income since I started medication Now I'm incredibly burned out, I've been having pretty severe memory problems, I'm on medical leave from my job to try and cou…

Not saying it can't be the methylphenidate, but I would suspect it likely has more to do with your career than you might be giving it credit for. I don't know what your background is but, since you're on HN, I can make an educated guess and say you work in tech, which can both be a highly rewarding career but also one that can really drain the soul. The worst part about the soul-sucking is that our jobs are superfici…

Hey, I don't really have any big reply or anything here but I wanted to say thank you for the advice and the care

It is really nice to know there are people who give a fuck out there and I appreciate it a lot

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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I got my diagnosis at 49. It took about 18 months, multiple visits to a doctor and 3 different specialists, and a lot of money, but it has been a game changer to feel somewhat normal. I'm only angry because I could have lived a much better life, if I was diagnosed early on. I really believe the people that could have helped me, knew what problem I had, but didn't want to help. I don't believe that people who called me stupid and lazy were that stupid. Even now I believe there are some barriers they have because as soon as each of my children turned 13, the call from the teacher came, informing me of suspected ADHD (ADD).

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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I like that you’re posting “check and mate the DEA doesn’t do health insurance” as a gotcha when nobody in this entire thread has at any point said that the DEA is directly involved in health insurance. It is like loudly claiming victory that you have established that doctors aren’t in charge of trimming the hedges in your neighborhood

No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion. Does it hurt to have this level of cognitive dissonance? "Yes, the government is responsible for these awful things. But if it was responsible for even more things, it would be different and good, because someone told me it would!"

> No, I'm pointing out that people like yourself are unable to recognize (willfully) government interference resulting in negative outcomes with the government interference you champion.

No you’re not. You’re not doing that at all.

You’re just posting “Hey, you know that thing nobody said? What if you believed this thing I just made up? Even though I know you did not, you would surely look pretty silly if you also came up with this wrong thing that I thought of in my head. Just picture what a buffoon you would be if you said something completely different than what you said. I am imagining you doing that and it is very pleasing to me. You look quite the fool and I quite the razor-sharp wit in this scenario that never happened but I am envisioning anyway”

It is nonsense, quite literally gibberish. “What if we had an argument and I was right and you were wrong how would that feel” isn’t an argument or a point. It is a dream that you’ve decided to volunteer unprompted that you fantasize about.

It is like someone bringing up a new pair of running shoes and you interjecting with your thoughts about the eroticism of feet.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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Probably that it's basically a weaker form of meth. I mean they're chemically similar, they have the same effects, adderall is potentially addictive, nobody wants to end up dealing with something similar to America's meth epidemic. That's not to say you can't manufacture and prescribe this drug safely, but a lot more people are going to have a lot more reservations about it than if you want to crank out a generic Tyl…

If that was true there would be a shortage of pain pills

I haven’t once heard of a person addicted to Adderal outside of a DARE class.

Opioids however…

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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You're right, and the situation is a harm to those who need adderall. Besides, adderall is not nearly as dangerous as Opiods. Whoopty-doo if it's diet Coke. This is why, even though I don't like Adderall's side effects for my ADHD and don't use it often, I keep the prescription, because fuck the government trying to squeeze pharmacists and doctors.

Yep. No matter how long I've been taking my ADHD meds, I can just stop them at any time. I'll sleep for a while (I think my record is 25 hours of sleep), but that's it. No life-threatening withdrawals. No panic. No pain. Safer than any opioid (except perhaps naloxone?).

The withdrawals are fucking garbage from even mild abuse (3x prescribed). I passed out and cut my head. And was anhedonic. And lethargic.

And I started taking it as an adult. So I had 4 or 5 ADHD diagnoses under my belt.

Re: ADHD drug treatment and risk of negative events and outcomes

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post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One neurotypical I know who took 20mg of Adderall IR ended up going into a hyperfocused ‘can’t look away from the road’ 12+ hour road trip without stopping and couldn’t sleep for 3 days afterwards. An ADHD’er I know who did the same thing, took a nap instead, and then actually started their taxes. These are not the same thing.

Not doubting you but… how? Adderall leaves your system in like 4 hours. The half life is crazy short and it’s extremely noticeable when it happens. I don’t understand how someone would fail to sleep for 3 days, or even hyper focus for 12 hours, when the drug is going to be completely gone from their system and not affecting them a fraction of the time into that period. Are you sure it wasn’t something else or they di…

Dosage response curves != Individual biochemistries and neural architecture/metabolisms. Some people it'll just hit different.
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