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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by throwawaysleep »

orbital-decay wrote: post #227
alephnerd wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is, civilians cannot change a country's domestic foreign policy - especially in a country like Russia. Revolutions don't work without alignment from power centers like the police, military, judiciary, and a subset of legislators. Hosni Mubarak wasn't overthrown because of protesters in Tahrir Square - he was overthrown because General Sisi decided to ignore shoot-on-sight orders. There's no reason for Ukr…

Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The reality is that awareness is a major factor, that was literally the main way of the power takeover in Russia (see e.g. Suponev, Ernst, Gusinsky, and Listyev). Russian government is really careful about doing things slowly and getting away with everything people let them get away with, and stopping dehumanization and letting…

> Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

It doesn’t in a culture like the Russian one of extreme deference to government.

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Post by sam_goody »

rclkrtrzckr wrote: post #276

I am working for a medium sized Swiss company. We're coding our own ERP, based on a nightmare of a stack. We call it "security by confusion". An attacker would maybe find its way in, but he'll never find the way out. If he destroys 90% of our code, we'll still be up and running, because 95% of the codebase is obsolete.

There was an interview with some U.S. army rep. that was pretty famous a few years back. He said that even if hackers broke in to the U.S. systems they wouldn't achieve anything due to how old, convoluted and buggy the systems were - even we who have full access can barely get anything to work!!

Of course, that was said purposefully, and may not reflect the truth at all.

But still, the thought that that is security for some (and I am sure it is for someone, somewhere) is kind of an extension of security by obscurity that is scary.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #460
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #66

I run a small home lab, about 30 services One day I decided to change my main disk and used the opportunity to rebuild everything from scratch and from backups. I was up in about an hour. And then I spent a week fixing this and that, ah yes I changed that too and, crap, I cannot remember why this thingie is set up this way. And some more. This is a one-man lab, with simple services, all on docker. I also work in IT.…

30 services is a small home lab?

Out of these 30 services, ~8 are useful on a daily basis, some from time to time,e and the rest is either forgotten or tests.

What I meant I that I do not have the kind of setup a lot of people show: a DC-grade self, with a U2 switch etc. I have an old server, my ISP box, a UPS, a switch and maybe something else I forgot. But since the server runs both Home Assistant and Pi-hole, it is critically important.

OTOH this criticality allows me not to invest too much in monitoring: I have family and friends yelling immediately when something is down :)

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Post by ivan_gammel »

libertine wrote: post #448
ivan_gammel wrote: post #418

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There’s no one else to force anything in that deal.

Russia had a military coup 2 years ago, the regime can collapse at any moment, they're in no position to force anything on anyone.

There was no military coup 2 years ago, just a failed mercenary raid in which the army was not even involved. Leaders of that raid are now dead. It was an interesting moment in history, but it actually demonstrated resilience of the regime.

>the regime can collapse at any moment

How exactly? What evidence do you have for it? All even marginally visible opposition is pushed out of the country and became irrelevant, some are dead, many convicted in absentia to decade-long prison sentences. Mass protests are rare and practically never challenge the order, mainly aiming at some local problems. From economic perspective there are some problems, but as a matter of fact inequality is now lower than before the war thanks to generous payouts to veterans and their families, who may have never seen that money in their life.

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Post by johnisgood »

johnisgood wrote: post #141
pjc50 wrote: post #137

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Curious use of "made" here when it's something that Ukraine would have very much wanted to do, this cyberattack.

Both benefit'd, then.

According to the down-votes... wait, so they did not both benefit, then?

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Post by ivan_gammel »

sjw987 wrote: post #449
ivan_gammel wrote: post #403

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I think you are exaggerating Russian problems quite a bit. It’s certainly more stable than in 1990s or early 2000s. The peace deal will very likely force Ukraine and consequently its allies to recognize acquisitions at least de facto (Crimea may get formal recognition). Even if they won’t, there’s no plausible scenario in which Russia will lose this territory. Demographics — yes, but immigration may solve it for a wh…

I'm not sure all of the previous posters points were thought out. The 1,000,000 casualties thing keeps popping up, but nobody can confirm this. We have to take Ukrainian sources at their word. Regardless of who you support, during a conflict you have to take BOTH sides claims with a pinch of salt. They are both producing fanatical numbers right now, because those numbers have the dual purpose of inspiring morale amon…

Agree on most of that. However, I do not think energy is the European problem. It's painful, for sure, but migration is something bigger politically (and see recent Economist on that). Russia did play a role in that, but it's the flawed system with which nobody is happy that drives the fringe parties to success.

As for housing crisis, that's something that is defined by how markets work currently - where political influence buys squeeze in building permits and good profits from speculating on this market buy political influence. And of course, there's dual market structure in many cities with subsidized housing that reduces pressure for reform for significant number of voters. We need a big political reboot to overcome that and transition from old party structure practically everywhere, it is already happening, it is uncomfortable to see due to uncertainties in this process, but it is good. The war may have some effect on that, accelerating the process.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by ivan_gammel »

vardump wrote: post #452
ivan_gammel wrote: post #413

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There will be one at some point. There is no plausible scenario in which it will be favorable for Ukraine: the West missed the moment to build up military production to match and surpass Russian capacity, so there is zero chance that there will be any military wins. And sanctions don’t work, that should have been pretty clear by now to anyone who sees the numbers. It is all about damage control and how many Ukrainian…

> There is no plausible scenario in which it will be favorable for Ukraine If this is true, we're doomed. Everyone will want to have nuclear weapons in order not to end up like Ukraine. After that point it's just a matter of time until something goes wrong. Russia must not win to avoid a nuclear war.

It is unlikely that we will see new nuclear powers. It's not an easy job. We can be sure that Israel or North Korea won't give up, but that does not mean they are going to use the weapons or there will be a full-blown intercontinental war. Looking at current progress in space tech, in 30-40 years the ultimate WMD will be kinetic space weapons anyway.

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Post by jajko »

holoduke wrote: post #397
jajko wrote: post #28

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They have been, in various ways, been attacking NATO countries for past 2 decades. Its simply puttin's modus operandi. Physical attacks on civilian and military infrastructure, murders, meddling with elections, cyber attacks, you name it.

All countries do this. Only propoganda makes you believe its only the enemy doing it. The UK alone had a history of 300 years of enslaving, meddling and brutalizing other countries. I can name at least 50 events from western countries last 2 decades.

Whataboutism at its finest. I think we all forget how we should feel fiery hate towards all citizens of Mongolia, those conquests were beyond brutal.

Or lets start talk like adults and talk about current situation and how nations behave now. russia is the definition of evil of these days. I know US government focuses heavily on china for whatever reasons (I guess because its obvious they are #2 and moving up, russia is barely in top 10 in actual capabilities if we ignore nukes and and since they threatened to use them at least 100x in past few years we can safely ignore them for usual conflicts).

Don't hate the messenger, this is how they behave and have painted themselves consistently, heck they are even proud of it in typical russian redneck style if you follow their media a bit.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by LearnYouALisp »

hosh wrote: post #307

The headline of the article called these people cyber activists, and in the text of the article, they were called cybercriminals. Which is it? It reminds me a bit with the situation with privateers during the age of sail. These were often people operating at the edge of the law, or even outright outlaws, given a letter of marque, a license to raid warships and commerce against a specific adversary. I'm sure out on th…

Change the language then use GTranslate

It just says "Хакеры" (hackery, hackers)

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