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America’s incarceration rate is in decline

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

emptysongglass wrote: post #458
bluGill wrote: post #55

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> the act of having a child is much more deliberate and the parents likely having more resources This is both good and bad. Having a child is very difficult, but it gets harder as you get older. You lack a lot of monitory resources as a teen or the early 20s, but you have a lot more energy, as you get older your body starts decaying you will lack energy. A kid had at 40 will still be depending on your when you are 55…

> If you are 25 you should be seriously thinking in the next 2 years, and by 30 have them I need to push back on this because no one is actually an adult at the age of 25 despite those people wishing it were so. You do not have your shit figured out and assuming a partner of similar age, neither do they. It's only starting in your 30s where you start to understand what it is to be a responsible adult to yourself and…

> no one is actually an adult at the age of 25 despite those people wishing it were so. You do not have your shit figured out

Too strong.

You're an adult who doesn't have their shit figured out. Some people never get it figured out, others take into their 30s, 40s or even 50s.

And then in your 60s, you've got new shit to figure out.

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Post by kulahan »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #461
emptysongglass wrote: post #458

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> If you are 25 you should be seriously thinking in the next 2 years, and by 30 have them I need to push back on this because no one is actually an adult at the age of 25 despite those people wishing it were so. You do not have your shit figured out and assuming a partner of similar age, neither do they. It's only starting in your 30s where you start to understand what it is to be a responsible adult to yourself and…

> no one is actually an adult at the age of 25 despite those people wishing it were so. You do not have your shit figured out Too strong. You're an adult who doesn't have their shit figured out. Some people never get it figured out, others take into their 30s, 40s or even 50s. And then in your 60s, you've got new shit to figure out.

Isn’t your brain still forming until you’re like… 26? It’s probably more correct to say that 25 year olds are children in that case. Other ages are mostly arbitrary.

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Post by Spivak »

almosthere wrote: post #414
snarf21 wrote: post #368

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This is a very one sided presentation of the facts. This fact is generally used to suggest that theft is all a liberal blue state issue. The highest felony theft amount in the US is in red Texas and is $2500. Around 40 states have a *HIGHER* felony $ limit for theft than California. If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense to not spend $10K+ to jail someone for stealing $500 of stuff. There are more cost effect…

Yeah search for "California store owner kills" and "Texas store owner kills" and see the variety that comes up. In Texas the people are the militia and defend their property. That limit doesn't matter there.

Sounds like crime is real bad in Texas if citizens are having to take the law into their own hands.

My state has guns and a felony theft limit higher than Cali and we neither have store clerks regularly killing people nor businesses closing due to theft.

Re: America’s incarceration rate is in decline

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

watwut wrote: post #289
wizee wrote: post #248

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People supported families with single incomes with less than high school education for centuries before the 1950s.

All the other members of the family were active and produced useful things - both kids and women. The iddle lifestyle was limited to richer classes.

Who said anything about the idle lifestyle?

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Post by tclancy »

leptons wrote: post #56
jjcob wrote: post #39

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I doubt there is a single explanation. I think it's multiple factors. Unleaded gasoline could also be a factor. Every country has shown drops in crime rates when leaded gasoline was phased out. If I recall, leaded gasoline was phased out in the 80ies, which fits a drop in crime rates in the 90ies.

Availability of pornography has cut down the rate of rapes significantly. Too bad the republicans are going to try to ban all porn pretty soon, according to their stated agenda. They do love their wealthy donors that run the prison-industrial-complex.

>Availability of pornography has cut down the rate of rapes significantly.

Oh for the love of $DEITY, this is some /r/shithackernewssays. Rape is not a crime about sex. Please don't do this.

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Post by _benton »

mandmandam wrote: post #356
_benton wrote: post #349

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In many countries the only obstacle is the legality of living on government lands. In Canada there are people living a nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle on crown land. The option is totally available for many people who chose not to do it.

> the only obstacle is the legality of living on government lands Yes, the obstacle of living illegally on land that has been systematically over-exploited for centuries (or too harsh to bother), without any community or experience. Not sure I'm seeing your point.

People do it so it's definitely possible. Most people chose not to do it because it's a hard life with a horrible quality of life. Being a hunter-gatherer and living a nomadic life is not and was never easy or fun.

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Post by joshuahaglund »

shadowtree wrote: post #402

While my Target puts Legos behind plexiglas. While my Safeway puts deodorant behind plexiglas. Statistics are amazing. Even crime stats are "down". Don't report, don't convict - done.

Or maybe they're low sales-volume items in a low profit margin store and it's cheaper to put some things behind glass than post up a security guard to deal with the fact that almost everyone, even nice old ladies at the grocery store, steal things sometimes?

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Post by frollogaston »

999900000999 wrote: post #172
anyfoo wrote: post #158

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Nobody said you should wait that long. As for your anecdote, what’s wrong with figuring out early during dating whether you plan on having children or not? People should talk about those things early, since there is hardly anything that makes a relationship more incompatible long term, and leads to more (even mutual) heartbreak and sorrow than having to break up with a person solely because their most uncompromisable…

This wasn’t even a first date, it was like she said hi to me at an event and just started taking about having a family. Felt really awkward for small talk. My point was the economy should support having a family in your 20s if that’s what you want to do. You shouldn’t need a well paid career, a quality lifestyle that supports a family should be available for everyone. I imagine universal health care, paid family leav…

Society does kinda support this. People with low-paying jobs actually have the most kids. You just need more income if you want to have kids at a good time and send them to higher-end schools, including K-12.

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Post by frollogaston »

wredcoll wrote: post #241
999900000999 wrote: post #150

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The issue here is this can lead people to pushing it till 40+. I was talking to a nice girl up until she mentioned still wanting kids in her late 40s. Maybe I’m old school, but telling someone you froze your eggs the same day you meet them is weird. Society itself is broken. You SHOULD be able to graduate high school and make enough to support yourself and a family with a bit of struggle. This rapidly transformed int…

> Society itself is broken. You SHOULD be able to graduate high school and make enough to support yourself and a family with a bit of struggle This has literally only been true for about 30 years out of the sum total of human history, would you like to guess when those 30 years happened to be? Obviously the answer is "1950s america". For the rest of human history, you needed something beyond the education you receive…

In less wealthy countries, usually the compromise is that husbands are significantly older than their wives. A woman is ready for marriage at 16-20 but a man isn't ready until 25-35. Also they don't own single-family houses unless they're in totally rural areas.

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Post by kulahan »

mandmandam wrote: post #370
Avshalom wrote: post #363

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1. how many hours a day would you work if it meant not watching 6 of your 7 children die. 2. How'd you get those dried beans out of their pods? Where'd you get that pot? Where'd you get the water? 3. You didn't actually read the critique did you, you the wikipedia paragraph characterizing the critiques.

1. The choice isn't between having free time and having modern maternity care. And it's not what was being debated. Like, yeah, antibiotics and anesthetic are great to have, but working 40+ hours a week isn't a prerequisite for them to exist so I have no idea why you're bringing it up. 2. Sitting around the table, singing songs, telling stories, or quietly reflecting; all working at my own pace, in the comfort of a h…

You’re not really responding to what he’s saying. You’re sitting at the middle of the story, where the family is no longer surviving, but rather thriving. It’s probably possible to do this, but it’s a difficult stage to reach, and maintaining it requires a LOT of resources.

And anyways, if you’re a hunter-gatherer, you’re following your prey, not sitting around growing corn to be shucked while you sing songs or whatever.

By the way, my buddies and I tell each other stories at work all the time? You can do this at work too, you know. What you seem to be doing is imagining a world where you’ve outsourced all your labor to “it’ll get done” land, then combined hunter-gatherer lifestyles with agrarian lifestyles

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