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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by dietr1ch »

xdennis wrote: post #430
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

The President has authority to do so under the Insurrection Act of 1807. Note that President Eisenhower did the same thing when he forced desegregation in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957. I'm pretty sure you were aware of this but cite the Posse Comitatus Act to make it sound like what Trump is doing is illegal. You can absolutely argue that what he's doing is unnecessary, disproportional, evil, provocative, etc, but i…

> but it's not illegal

This is where I find the extremely lawful mindset idiotic. Laws try to encode good behaviour, but can't define it.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by fzeroracer »

trashtester wrote: post #450
trilbyglens wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the system is designed to allow these people in a gray zone, so they do not have access to the same rights as citizens and therefore can be exploited. The problem is not illegal immigration. It's just a political football. Our economy would fily collapse without this cheap labor to exploit.

It would not collapase. But it would shift some purchaing power from the middle class to the working class if all of them would leave, as working class salaries would go up even faster than the inflatino it would cause.

Our economy absolutely would collapse. Our entire farming industry exists because of heavily abused immigrant labor, and is a job that Americans refuse to take. We've made multiple swings and attempts at getting Americans to do this work [1] but it's low pay, low benefits and grueling work. Farmers literally could not afford the actual salary needed to attract people to do said labor, and it would cause food prices across the US to skyrocket.

The only way this would stabilize is if the government came in and subsidized and socialized farm work heavily and that would also never happen.

[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/07/31/634442195/wh...

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by Gareth321 »

scott_w wrote: post #401
leereeves wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…

Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. Note that Trump's DoD did not seem to be in a hurry to deploy the National Guard on 6th January, despite multiple requests to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_r…

> Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms.

My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. Hundreds of years of precedent has made it clear that states are subordinate to the Federal government.

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Post by LastTrain »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because a certain party in this country must always have a scapegoat, it isn’t any more complicated than that.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by Gareth321 »

addandsubtract wrote: post #413
daft_pink wrote: post #114

I lived through the BLM protests in a liberal city. They let them destroy everything, then they called in the National Guard to stop looting that already happened. Everyone’s okay with peaceful protests, but they should call in the national guard and prosecute people for violence. You might hate Trump, but in my previous experience, it’s the residents of the most liberal districts that suffer all the consequences of…

You're making it sound like the "violence" started in a vacuum. Let's not forget where the actual violence and unlawfulness originated from – in both the BLM and ICE protests.

> You're making it sound like the "violence" started in a vacuum.

They didn't make any such claim. They were explaining the consequences they experienced as a result of the BLM riots.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by Gareth321 »

spencerflem wrote: post #371
msgodel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>lacks values I really hated when Fox news would say things like this and I hate it when individuals do. It makes it impossible for us to communicate. Just because the other side doesn't share your values doesn't mean they have none. You might say their values are evil. That's a different discussion, but they're rarely just reacting blindly.

I say their values are evil. They are bad people. It makes me feel sick as a programmer knowing how many people on this board that values "hacker" anti authoritarianism and curiosity would have the government send the military to shoot their own citizens

I think the bad people are the ones hurting others and destroying property.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lenkite »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

Marines have been sent several times to combat mass rioting and violence in the United States under several Presidents. Was done in LA earlier as well.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by spwa4 »

I always find it difficult to understand how the press sometimes misunderstands cause and effect. While this military intervention is being implemented now, it's not like there weren't protests before, or in other cities (including Trump's native New York).

What happened immediately before Trump started sending in armed groups to the streets of Los Angeles was Trump getting credibly accused by Elon Musk of associating with Jeffrey Epstein.

So the correct title here is "Marines deployed to LA in response to Trump's association with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein being widely discussed on Twitter".

This allows people to correctly infer cause and effect, and most importantly, intent.

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