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Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by victorbjorklund »

zx8080 wrote: post #402
victorbjorklund wrote: post #376

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That is how LLM:s should be used today. An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. Just the other day I was working on a prototype and let claude write code for a auth flow. Everything was good until the last step where it was just sending the user id as a string with the valid token. So if you got a valid token you could just pass in any user id and become…

> An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. It's a lie. The marketing one, to be specific, which makes it even worse.

huh?

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by victorbjorklund »

0points wrote: post #385
victorbjorklund wrote: post #376

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That is how LLM:s should be used today. An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. Just the other day I was working on a prototype and let claude write code for a auth flow. Everything was good until the last step where it was just sending the user id as a string with the valid token. So if you got a valid token you could just pass in any user id and become…

I really don't agree with the idea that expert time would just be spent typing, and I'd be really surprised if that's the common sentiment around here. An expert reasons, plans ahead, thinks and reasons a little bit more before even thinking about writing code. If you are measuring productivity by lines of code per hour then you don't understand what being a dev is.

Yea, and you still do that now. Lets say you spend 30% of your time coding and the rest planning. Well, now you got even more time for planning.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by deepsun »

dismalaf wrote: post #458
victorbjorklund wrote: post #376

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That is how LLM:s should be used today. An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. Just the other day I was working on a prototype and let claude write code for a auth flow. Everything was good until the last step where it was just sending the user id as a string with the valid token. So if you got a valid token you could just pass in any user id and become…

> Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch Probably very language specific. I use a lot of Ruby, typing things takes no time it's so terse. Instead I get to spend 95% of my time pondering my problems (or prompting the LLM)...

With a proper IDE you don't type much even in Java/.Net, it's all autocomplete anyway. "Too verbose" complaints are mostly from Notepad lovers, and those who never needed to read somebody else's code.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by victorbjorklund »

signa11 wrote: post #399
victorbjorklund wrote: post #376

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That is how LLM:s should be used today. An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. Just the other day I was working on a prototype and let claude write code for a auth flow. Everything was good until the last step where it was just sending the user id as a string with the valid token. So if you got a valid token you could just pass in any user id and become…

> ... Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch ... how ? the prompts have still to be typed right ? and then the output examined in earnest.

Latest project I been working on. Prompts are a few sentences (and technically I dictate them instead of typing) and the LLM generates a few hundred lines of code.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by victorbjorklund »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #454
fastball wrote: post #404

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A prompt can be as little as a sentence to write hundreds of lines of code.

Hundreds of lines that you have to carefully read and understand.

Depends on what it is doing. A html template without JS? Enough to just check if it looks right and works.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by victorbjorklund »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #379
victorbjorklund wrote: post #376

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That is how LLM:s should be used today. An expert prompts it and checks the code. Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch. Just the other day I was working on a prototype and let claude write code for a auth flow. Everything was good until the last step where it was just sending the user id as a string with the valid token. So if you got a valid token you could just pass in any user id and become…

> Still saves a lot of time vs typing everything from scratch No it doesn't. Typing speed is never the bottleneck for an expert. As an offline database of Google-tier knowledge, LLM's are useful. Though current LLM tech is half-baked, we need: a) Cheap commodity hardware for running your own models locally. (And by "locally" I mean separate dedicated devices, not something that fights over your desktop's or laptop's…

Maybe you type faster than me then :) I for sure type slower than Claude code. :)

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by autoexec »

kentonv wrote: post #420
boruto wrote: post #381

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I realize I procrastinate less when using LLM to write code which I know I could write.

I've noticed this too. I remember hearing somewhere that humans have a limited capacity in terms of number of decisions made in a day, and it seems to fit here: If I'm writing the code myself, I have to make several decisions on every line of code, and that's mentally tiring, so I tend to stop and procrastinate frequently. If an LLM is handling a lot of the details, then I'm just making higher-level decisions, allowi…

I have a feeling that it's something that might help today but also something you might pay for later. When you have to maintain or bug fix that same code down the line the fact that you were the one making all those higher-level decisions and thinking through the details gives you an advantage. Just having everything structured and named in ways that make the most sense to you seems like it'd be helpful the next time you have to deal with the code.

While it's often a luxury, I'd much rather work on code I wrote than code somebody else wrote.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by autoexec »

JimDabell wrote: post #371
risyachka wrote: post #370

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If the guy knew how to properly implement oauth - did he save any time though by prompting or just tried to prove a point that if you actually already know all details of impl you can guide llm to do it? Thats the biggest issue I see. In most cases I don't use llm because DIYing it takes less time than prompting/waiting/checking every line.

> did he save any time though Yes: > It took me a few days to build the library with AI. > I estimate it would have taken a few weeks, maybe months to write by hand. – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44160208 > or just tried to prove a point that if you actually already know all details of impl you can guide llm to do it? No: > I was an AI skeptic. I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn…

> I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn't actually understand code and couldn't produce anything novel.

How novel is a OAuth provider library for cloudflare workers? I wouldn't be surprised if it'd been trained on multiple examples.

Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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autoexec wrote: post #468
JimDabell wrote: post #371

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> did he save any time though Yes: > It took me a few days to build the library with AI. > I estimate it would have taken a few weeks, maybe months to write by hand. – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44160208 > or just tried to prove a point that if you actually already know all details of impl you can guide llm to do it? No: > I was an AI skeptic. I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn…

> I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn't actually understand code and couldn't produce anything novel. How novel is a OAuth provider library for cloudflare workers? I wouldn't be surprised if it'd been trained on multiple examples.

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Re: Cloudlflare builds OAuth with Claude and publishes all the prompts

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Post by kentonv »

autoexec wrote: post #468
JimDabell wrote: post #371

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> did he save any time though Yes: > It took me a few days to build the library with AI. > I estimate it would have taken a few weeks, maybe months to write by hand. – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44160208 > or just tried to prove a point that if you actually already know all details of impl you can guide llm to do it? No: > I was an AI skeptic. I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn…

> I thoughts LLMs were glorified Markov chain generators that didn't actually understand code and couldn't produce anything novel. How novel is a OAuth provider library for cloudflare workers? I wouldn't be surprised if it'd been trained on multiple examples.

I'm not aware of any other OAuth provider libraries for Workers. Plenty of clients, but not providers -- implementing the provider side is not that common, historically. See my other comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44164204

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