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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #209

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What tools do you use for command line searching?

Currently, the script looks like this #!/bin/sh 0x $1|yy084|yy030|yy073 "0x" is another Almquist shell script that can search about 63 different servers that return search results, e.g., Google, DDG, and so on.^1 yy___ are UNIX filters written in C. 0x uses some yy proggrams as well, e.g., yy025, along with sed and a TCP client, e.g., tcpclient, netcat, socat, bssl, openssl, etc. yy084 outputs SERPs as SQL. This make…

> Currently, the script looks like this > > #!/bin/sh > 0x $1|yy084|yy030|yy073 > > "0x" is another Almquist shell script that can search about 63 different servers that return search results, e.g., Google, DDG, and so on.^1 > > yy___ are UNIX filters written in C. > > 0x uses some yy proggrams as well, e.g., yy025, along with sed and a TCP client, e.g., tcpclient, netcat, socat, bssl, openssl, etc. > > yy084 outputs SERPs as SQL. > > This makes it easy to create simplified "mixed" SERPs with results from different servers. > > Where possible 0x allows for "continuation search". Going past page 1 of SERPs is discouraged or even prevented in recent times, all focus is on "the top result",^2 and some www search engines actively try to block exhaustive research and discovery. By continuing searches over time, e.g., page 1 of results on day 1, page 2 on day 2, page 3 on day 5, etc., one can sometimes avoid being blocked when doing exhaustive searches. > > 1. This is an ongoing experiment. Sometimes a site will "break" if the site operator changes something but this does not happen too often. Majority have remained stable over time. > > 2. This coincidentally benefits an advertising services racket.

How can I get more details about these filters. Are there existing implementations somewhere online which I can test? Seems pretty interesting.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #292

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Automatic refund everyone involved?

so should they refund everyone who had free trial and started paying afterwards? what if they wanted to start paying?

And what if they simply missed that it continued charging with the stripe email? It’s a dark pattern that they should fix.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #359

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I suspect the secret sauce might be uBlock Origin. Even with basic, default filters it transforms Google into a vastly different experience.

No longer usable in chrome, but even then, just.... Idk.

Still works in the Arc browser, which is Chrome-based.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #221

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Same for me. I don't understand why they are not able to cleanly separate themselves from Yandex. Their explanations don't help me understand it but only serve as "we hear you and consciously decide to still fund a Russian company". If anybody reading this is willing to disabuse me of this I'll try to be open for a different perspective.

Did you type this comment on a device made in China?

You did the meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Nice troll. A footlong Ultimate BMT is $11.29 in Wichita before taxes (I just checked). Kagi builds an excellent product for a very fair price. Direct your ire elsewhere.

A footlong is rather big for an average sandwich. Half of that is easily a large sandwich by themselves. So the cost for two large sandwiches.

Eating a sandwich over two sittings is easier than using 1 month subscription over two months, at least in my country.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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My experience with Kagi was not as positive as everyone else's here. I didn't find the search results to be better and perhaps that's because I am used to google foo to extract decent results there. So I made Kagi my default engine everywhere and used it exclusively for more than a month before giving up. The response time for search results isn't too long but that difference from google's response time, which I had…

I tend to agree. I would pay money solely for the features that let you block sites, uprank and downrank sites, but use Google instead. Bonus points if they block the Gemini stuff.

User scripts and browser extensions to the rescue, at no cost but time invested in setting them up.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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so should they refund everyone who had free trial and started paying afterwards? what if they wanted to start paying?

And what if they simply missed that it continued charging with the stripe email? It’s a dark pattern that they should fix.

They are fixing it. The only debate in this thread is whether they should automatically refund everybody who might have been affected, regardless whether that person intended to continue or not. That's a pretty different thing.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #244

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Huh? They are scamming someone, > I do understand how this may be unexpected. is the answer, they claim that it is a bug at their partner, and they offer opt-in (not automatic) refund. That's straight up illegal. Also controversial, like, if it's a bug, why isn't the refund automatic in the first place. How does this make you want to be their user?

I realize Kagi is loved here, heck I use it myself but this pattern does come off at best lazy engineering and at worst scammy. Their marketing email pitches it off as no strings attached but there is a case where it will auto charge you at the end. I think some of the ton is a little aggressive but it does seem like something that a lot of other companies would maybe get called out for.

I agree, they should definitely be called out for it. However, I also believe a little grace and understanding from the users is called for. They're a small team trying to do their best, and they've taken concrete steps in the past demonstrating their committment to customer service (i.e. not charging you for a month if you don't use your subscription).

I will admit that I do have a reflexive allergy to conspiracy theories when people jump way over Occam's Razor to get there with little to no evidence, and saying that Kagi is just a "scam" is firmly in that boat IMHO.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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post #333

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As my income drops in slow periods, I pause subscriptions to many things. The very last two I would be willing to give up are (n-1): YouTube Premium and (n): Kagi.

Switched to nebula when they removed YouTube lite and the price was double. Got no ads on my devices anyway.

For me, YouTube Premium (for family) is so worth it because:

- It removes ads for my kids, which are going to watch YouTube no matter what I do

- It includes YouTube Music, so I don't need a separate Spotify subscription

- It sends money to creators based on what I proportionally spend time watching, rather than based on how valuable of an audience I'm deemed to be when an ad slot is auctioned

- It is a signal that I'm willing to pay for content, and I want platforms and creators to continue offering that option

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