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Re: Careless People

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Post by gr__or »

boogieknite wrote: post #420

here's a callous question: will it ever get to a tipping point where major businesses bail on react? is it already happening? asking specifically because our backend is pretty much just esri and were heavily considering porting all of our web products to experience builder because of how robust it is these days. experience builder is on react, which sucks imo, but would be helpful to avoid getting the rug pulled on u…

I don't think that's a necessary consequence. React is free, a sort-of recruitment loss-leader for Meta. Imo you can get to a moral zero on this pretty easily despite still using React, by supporting out-of-Meta React OSS and using your platforms to denounces Meta's carelessness.

On the other hand: Companies pay for Microsoft's offerings and they support the Israeli military in their genocidal campaign in Gaza, I think getting to a moral zero on that is significantly harder.

Re: Careless People

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Post by vmurthy »

hinkley wrote: post #439
vmurthy wrote: post #17

I read the book. It’s a very interesting read. A few things stood out ( no spoilers ) - Casual indifference at exec level to atrocities happening because of FB/ Meta. - Money/power does make you insensitive - Tech bro view of the world permeates most decisions that Meta takes. - Casual sexual harassment for women ( follows from the tech bro worldview I guess ) - US centric world view influencing how execs treat world…

I don’t think I ever connected that “Lean In” was from a C-suite member of Facebook and I certainly didn’t know how morally bankrupt it was. The case is made pretty well in the book that Sheryl does not practice what she preaches.

From the book, it appears that Sheryl used Meta as a platform for promoting her own image and book rather than do the things that prevented a lot of bad. It’s beyond sad

Re: Careless People

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obscurette wrote: post #368
ranger207 wrote: post #356

Doctorow touches on this, but I really think the biggest problem with society today is simply that too many people in power simply don't experience consequences

I think that's true for our society in general at the moment. Everyone can behave like an asshole and it's completely OK for a society if they say "I had a tough childhood and haven't received a professional help".

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Re: Careless People

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Post by Nurw »

lordnacho wrote: post #96
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #9

> There's Zuck, whose underlings let him win at board-games like Settlers of Catan because he's a manbaby who can't lose (and who accuses Wynn-Williams of cheating when she fails to throw a game of Ticket to Ride while they're flying in his private jet). Why does this seem to be a recurring pattern among the modern ultrawealthy? Does anyone who fails to bend over backwards for them just end up getting exiled? Have th…

You've won the lottery, but you don't want to acknowledge that you won the lottery. You want to feel they you deserve your position through hard work and talent. You're living in a society where people are credulous, to some degree they believe that hard work and talent are related to success. So what will happen? Everyone you hire ends up patting you on the back, telling you what a great guy you are.

In addition, I think you have to be sort of selfish to become ultra-wealthy. At some point people who believe that they became rich not by their own merit would start to distribute some wealth around. While selfish and egotistical people would hoard all their wealth, compounding it into ultra-richness.

Re: Careless People

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Post by stevage »

Jevon23 wrote: post #28
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #9

> There's Zuck, whose underlings let him win at board-games like Settlers of Catan because he's a manbaby who can't lose (and who accuses Wynn-Williams of cheating when she fails to throw a game of Ticket to Ride while they're flying in his private jet). Why does this seem to be a recurring pattern among the modern ultrawealthy? Does anyone who fails to bend over backwards for them just end up getting exiled? Have th…

In order to get into Zuckerberg’s position in the first place, you need to have a highly competitive personality type. And competitive people want to win at EVERYTHING, all the time. It’s a constant compulsion. Even if they might intellectually understand the distinction between “just a game” and “actual serious time”, they don’t “feel” that distinction in their bones. They have no off switch.

I have trouble believing that highly competitive people enjoy winning against people who aren't trying to win. Catan has a lot of luck, you'd expect to lose a lot of games.

Re: Careless People

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Post by stevage »

rsynnott wrote: post #164
binaryturtle wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called the Streisand Effect. :)

It's kind of amazing that people still hit this, really. Like, if you're Facebook's lawyers, how are you not telling them "don't talk about this; anything you say or do will only promote it further"? The lawyers must _know_.

That is not the lawyers' concern.

Re: Careless People

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Post by watwut »

obscurette wrote: post #368
ranger207 wrote: post #356

Doctorow touches on this, but I really think the biggest problem with society today is simply that too many people in power simply don't experience consequences

I think that's true for our society in general at the moment. Everyone can behave like an asshole and it's completely OK for a society if they say "I had a tough childhood and haven't received a professional help".

Literally none of these people claims that. What they actually say is "acting like an asshole is a cool manly thing".

Meanwhile, the help for people with tough childhoods is slashed and protection for kids is scaled back. People who had tough childhoods and did not received professional help are getting roughly no help or benefit of doubt.

Re: Careless People

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Post by ujkiolp »

righthand wrote: post #275
DreaminDani wrote: post #186

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Reading an audiobook is reading. As a partially blind person, it is the only way I can read comfortably. I'm not sure how a different word would help. If one was reviewing the audiobook, specifically, they might call it out in order to comment on the narration quality, etc. But if you listened to the book, you've read it.

I don’t agree. Your eyes sending signals to your brain is different than your ears. It is a different way to digest information. People tend to remember 20% of what they hear and only 10% of what they read. While the hearing is greater it doesn’t include the same process of acquiring information. “Listening is reading” is a false generalization just because you were able to gather the same information doesn’t mean yo…

pls consider strolling away

Re: Careless People

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Post by openplatypus »

rsynnott wrote: post #164
binaryturtle wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called the Streisand Effect. :)

It's kind of amazing that people still hit this, really. Like, if you're Facebook's lawyers, how are you not telling them "don't talk about this; anything you say or do will only promote it further"? The lawyers must _know_.

Their lawyers are daft as bricks.

They can't even control their client from lying in public.

Re: Careless People

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Post by hadeson »

hermitcrab wrote: post #455
matusp wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually Roman: Magni minores saepe fures puniunt

Where does it come from? I Googled "Magni minores saepe fures puniunt" and mostly found pages in Czech.

"Magni, inquit, fures minorem puniunt" - Appeared in Pseudo-Caecilius Balbus.
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