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“GPT‑4.1 scores 54.6% on SWE-bench Verified, improving by 21.4%abs over GPT‑4o and 26.6%abs over GPT‑4.5—making it a leading model for coding.” 4.1 is 26.6% better at coding than 4.5. Got it. Also…see the em dash

What's wrong with the em-dash? That's just...the typographically correct dash AFAIK.

Maybe a reference to the OpenAI models loving to output em-dashes?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

#462

“GPT‑4.1 scores 54.6% on SWE-bench Verified, improving by 21.4%abs over GPT‑4o and 26.6%abs over GPT‑4.5—making it a leading model for coding.” 4.1 is 26.6% better at coding than 4.5. Got it. Also…see the em dash

Should have named it 4.10

But it’s so much weaker than 4.5 in broader tasks… maybe more optimized against benchmarks but it’s just no replacement for a huge model.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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If reasoning models are any good, then can they figure out overpowered builds for poe2? Wait, wouldn’t this be a decent test for reasoning ? Every patch changes things, and there’s massive complexity with the various interactions between items, uniques, runes, and more.

Once they can do this we are probably at AGI

And I can get a one button build at league start

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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I tried 4.1-mini and 4.1-nano. The response are a lot faster, but for my use-case they seem to be a lot worse than 4o-mini(they fail to complete the task when 4o-mini could do it). Maybe I have to update my prompts...

That sounds incredibly disappointing given how high their benchmarks are, indicating they might be overtuned for those, similar to Llama4.

Yeah, I think so too. They seemed to be better at specific tasks, but worse overall, at broader tasks.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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As a ChatGPT user, I'm weirdly happy that it's not available there yet. I already have to make a conscious choice between - 4o (can search the web, use Canvas, evaluate Python server-side, generate images, but has no chain of thought) - o3-mini (web search, CoT, canvas, but no image generation) - o1 (CoT, maybe better than o3, but no canvas or web search and also no images) - Deep Research (very powerful, but I have…

I use them as follows: o1-pro: anything important involving accuracy or reasoning. Does the best at accomplishing things correctly in one go even with lots of context. deepseek R1: anything where I want high quality non-academic prose or poetry. Hands down the best model for these. Also very solid for fast and interesting analytical takes. I love bouncing ideas around with R1 and Grok-3 bc of their fast responses and…

Gemini 2.5 is very good. Since you have to wait for reasoning tokens, it takes longer to come back, but the responses are high quality IME.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Most of the improvements in this model, basically everything except the longer context, image understanding and better pricing, are basically things that reinforcement learning (without human feedback) should be good at. Getting better at code is something you can verify automatically, same for diff formats and custom response formats. Instruction following is also either automatically verifiable, or can be verified…

If so, the loss of fidelity versus 4.5 is really noticeable and a loss for numerous applications. (Finding a vegan restaurant in a random city neighborhood, for example.)

In your example the LLM should not be responsible for that directly. It should be calling out to an API or search results to get accurate and up-to-date information (relatively speaking) and then use that context to generate a response

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use them as follows: o1-pro: anything important involving accuracy or reasoning. Does the best at accomplishing things correctly in one go even with lots of context. deepseek R1: anything where I want high quality non-academic prose or poetry. Hands down the best model for these. Also very solid for fast and interesting analytical takes. I love bouncing ideas around with R1 and Grok-3 bc of their fast responses and…

Phind was fine-tuned specifically to produce inline Mermaid diagrams for technical questions (I'm the founder).

I really loved Phind and always think of it as the OG perplexity / RAG search engine.

Sadly stopped my subscription, when you removed the ability to weight my own domains...

Otherwise the fine-tune for your output format for technical questions is great, with the options, the pro/contra and the mermaid diagrams. Just way better for technical searches, than what all the generic services can provide.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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don't miss that OAI also published a prompting guide WITH RECEIPTS for GPT 4.1 specifically for those building agents... with a new recommendation for: - telling the model to be persistent (+20%) - dont self-inject/parse toolcalls (+2%) - prompted planning (+4%) - JSON BAD - use XML or arxiv 2406.13121 (GDM format) - put instructions + user query at TOP -and- BOTTOM - bottom-only is VERY BAD - no evidence that ALL CA…

As an aside, one of the worst aspects of the rise of LLMs, for me, has been the wholesale replacement of engineering with trial-and-error hand-waving. Try this, or maybe that, and maybe you'll see a +5% improvement. Why? Who knows. It's just not how I like to work.

The disadvantage is that LLMs are probabilistic, mercurial, unreliable.

The advantage is that humans are probabilistic, mercurial and unreliable, and LLMs are a way to bridge the gap between humans and machines that, while not wholly reliable, makes the gap much smaller than it used to be.

If you're not making software that interacts with humans or their fuzzy outputs (text, images, voice etc.), and have the luxury of well defined schema, you're not going to see the advantage side.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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don't miss that OAI also published a prompting guide WITH RECEIPTS for GPT 4.1 specifically for those building agents... with a new recommendation for: - telling the model to be persistent (+20%) - dont self-inject/parse toolcalls (+2%) - prompted planning (+4%) - JSON BAD - use XML or arxiv 2406.13121 (GDM format) - put instructions + user query at TOP -and- BOTTOM - bottom-only is VERY BAD - no evidence that ALL CA…

As an aside, one of the worst aspects of the rise of LLMs, for me, has been the wholesale replacement of engineering with trial-and-error hand-waving. Try this, or maybe that, and maybe you'll see a +5% improvement. Why? Who knows. It's just not how I like to work.

Yeah this is why I don't like statistical and ML solutions in general. Monte Carlo sampling is already kinda throwing bullshit at the wall and hoping something works with absolutely zero guarantees and it's perfectly explainable.

But unfortunately for us, clean and logical classical methods suck ass in comparison so we have no other choice but to deal with the uncertainty.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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I think an under appreciated reality is that all of the large AI labs and OpenAI in particular are fighting multiple market battles at once. This is coming across in both the number of products and the packaging. 1, to win consumer growth they have continued to benefit on hyper viral moments, lately that was was image generation in 4o, which likely was technically possible a long time before launched. 2, for enterpri…

On that note, I want to see benchmarks for which LLM's are best at translating between languages. To me, it's an entire product category.

I would love to see a stackexchange-like site where humans ask questions and we get to vote on the reply by various LLMs.
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