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US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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I encourage everyone to contact their reps and demand a bill be advanced to return tariff authority to the Congress. There are enough GOP reps opposed to tariffs to get a discharge petition.

Are they more opposed to tariffs than they are in support of their king Trump?

I'm betting the number of Republicans in Congress who will oppose Trump is in the single digits at this point.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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The golden prize for America's enemies is to remove the US dollar as a global reserve currency. Since trade is conducted largely in USD, that means other governments must purchase USD to trade. This is the core of trade deficits. Foreign countries buy US dollars so they can trade with other people. That guarantees the deficit since they give us something in exchange for USD, which they do not then spend on goods we m…

What still baffles me is how people act like this was some kind of thoughtful decision.

When you put someone incompetent in charge of a country, a company, or a sports team, collapse is inevitable, no exceptions. We’ve seen it play out over and over again because of stupid choices only driven by ego.

Now it’s the US’s turn

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I think a lot of people assume the economic consequences like these have not been understood by the WH. Although I don't like this administration I beg to differ: they know what's going to happen, and they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows. They want to repudiate foreign held debt, or devalue it, by revaluation of the USD and they will wear what they think of as a one time economic shock to get t…

> "they have no idea what's coming" are I believe naive.

There could be someone who understands this. But this someone never shows their face in public, or provides any rationale for the policies beyond the nonsense like "reciprocal tariffs" or similar nonsense. I mean the literal board with tariff percentages that was held up had numbers that made NO sense, to anyone! Yet there are no critical questions?

It's beginning to feel like a conspiracy theory. That behind the obvious idiots who are the faces of the policies, are some other, less inept people who are pulling the strings. But who would this be?

> they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows.

If there are elections in 2026 and 2030 then what follows is a blue wave in the midterms and millions of disappointed voters who had their 401k's gutted, saw prices of most goods increase 10%+ in 2 years, saw little to no tax cuts, lost their jobs if they worked for the government, and lost their social security.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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post #87

I think a lot of people assume the economic consequences like these have not been understood by the WH. Although I don't like this administration I beg to differ: they know what's going to happen, and they expect the coming storm because they seek what follows. They want to repudiate foreign held debt, or devalue it, by revaluation of the USD and they will wear what they think of as a one time economic shock to get t…

> Rust belt sewing shops and Walmart grade cheap goods production lines?

Are we really going to see this happening in 2 years? I'm not sure about this. The cost of Mexican/South Asian factories are still a lot lower than US.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Can someone explain if there's any logic at all to counting a countrys VAT as part of its tariffs? In my home country VAT is ultimately charged the end-customer and this happens regardless of the origin of the goods. How can this be a seen as a tariff? Besides, isn't the "Use tax" most(?) American states have more or less equivalent in function?

For context - here is one of Trump's posts which mention VAT: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1140091752662...

No details provided.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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Here's a csv and google sheet of the data. Turns out they aren't tariffs countries charge us. They are trade imbalance percentages. Unreal: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xK0OQ5VGl8JHmDSIgbXh... https://gist.github.com/mcoliver/69fe48d03c12388e29cc0cd87eb...

Does this mean that software worldwide gets a boon since: 1. It’s not affected by these tariffs 2. It wasn’t used as a basis for the calculation

It seems more likely that the EU will retaliate by taxing (or prohibiting) US services.

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Current EU tariffs on US goods... Product Category Tariff Rate ----------------------------- -------------- Dairy Products (e.g., cheese, butter) Up to 50% Processed Foods (e.g., chocolate, confectionery) 30-40% Alcoholic Beverages (e.g., whiskey, bourbon) 25% Steel and Aluminum Products 25% Automobiles 10% Industrial Goods 5-10%

Careful: The rate mentioned for alcoholic beverages (and confectionery) may include Excise Duty. Excise Duty usually have the non-discriminatory aspect of VAT : they’re also applied on local production.

Re: US Administration announces 34% tariffs on China, 20% on EU

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This won't bring home manufacturing but let's say that it will... The US doesn't have the people to do the actual manufacturing. I saw a video recently explaining how sectors like the military, construction and the automotive industry each have 100K+ positions that they are unable to fill. A return to manufacturing adds to that shortage. Apparently there's some 7 million young men of working age that are...missing in…

I don't know that I agree with this. The US is too large a market to ignore, and this is effectively raising the profit margin for local production. Foreign companies will either move some portion of manufacturing to the US (for the domestic market), or cede the market completely, and I don't know that they're prepared to do that (well, maybe Chinese ones are). Factories have a long lead time, so even if this is abol…

> If the people aren't there, wages will rise until they show up. [...] There is not, and never will be, a shortage of cleaners, for example, because anyone can do it, so as long as there are unemployed people and the wages are good enough, someone will do the work.

While this might be in a theoretical and pedantic way true, sometimes you do not have the economic context to provide those larger wages, so there will technically be no "shortage" - but just because the jobs themselves will disappear.

If you look at poor countries or regions, there is garbage, dirt and dilapidation everywhere. Clearly there is - in a practical way - a need for cleaners, but by your definition there is no "shortage" - because they cannot afford to pay anything for those jobs.

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