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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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A lot of the people that wanted a small iPhone jumped at the 12, so the 13 fixing the problems was a bit of a "too little, too late" situation.

You can’t make those people happy, I guess

Well, I bought a 12 mini the day it came out. I'm about due for an upgrade, and I would go with the 17 mini when it comes out, if they still made minis.

All of my friends that have minis are also people that don't upgrade frequently.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

So the video test is done with the video streaming over cellular data? Otherwise what would a video playback time spec have to do with the efficiency of the cellular radio?

Phones maintain a cellular connection even if most data is being transmitted over WiFi at any given moment

Cellular modems are constantly reading and broadcasting messages to the cellular network unless they are explicitly turned off

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Let's see... it's replacing the SE, which is no longer on Apple's website. It's more expensive than the SE, at $599 vs $429. It's a pretty substantial hardware upgrade over the SE, including something like 75% more battery life by Apple's numbers, but it's also noticeably bigger. Apple's own comparison tool is useful: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i...

The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.

Yeah Apple overcharges. The SE is downright crude by modern standards, no ways was it worth $430.

This phone is at least modern, but it's not great value for money.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #18

Let's see... it's replacing the SE, which is no longer on Apple's website. It's more expensive than the SE, at $599 vs $429. It's a pretty substantial hardware upgrade over the SE, including something like 75% more battery life by Apple's numbers, but it's also noticeably bigger. Apple's own comparison tool is useful: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i...

The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.

You can easily pick up a used/refurb iPhone 15 for ~$500.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #122

Apple leans its weight heavily on controversial smartphone changes and defines trends for the rest of the industry, even when it's not the first company to do so. When it removed the headphone jack, introduced the screen notch, or added a camera bump, everyone followed afterward despite the grumbling. So keeping that in mind, regarding the modem, I remember prior comments about it being near-impossible or extremely d…

Unfortunately, the worst example they set is the locked-down device + an app store.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

#466

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

Yes please. My new job just provided me with a new phone, but all the models are just too big. I guess I’ll get used to it, but I’d rather have the current features in a Mini body.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible the battery chemistry has also changed. In the last 12-18 months, a bunch of Android phones have gotten large battery capacity upgrades, apparently thanks to silicon-carbon anodes being mature enough for mass production. Presumably Apple is now doing the sam thing.

Do signs point toward Apple adopting a unique, new cell chemistry for what will be their high-volume budget product for the next few years? It would have probably been a marketing line if so, similar to the C1 modem. A bigger battery doesn't imply new tech. (Yes, the phone expensive now, but these SE-tier phones typically get discounts pretty quickly after release through carriers/non-apple retail; and then a bigger…

The overlap of the “cares about battery chemistry” and “purchases the lowest tier device” is probably close to 0

The C1 modem gets a line because Wall Street has seen that expense for a decade now, so this is a “win” for them. Battery chemistry is completely 3rd party, so they’ll claim the battery life improvement

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #413

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Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

Except making a decent modem is indeed harder than start of art CPU. People loves to shit on Qualcomm but dont appreciate that amount of work involved.

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Its been a long slog for Apple, they have been working on this since 2018, and they had to keep extending its supply agreements with Qualcomm... "Inside Apple’s Spectacular Failure to Build a Key Part for Its New iPhones" >The 2018 marching orders from Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook to design and build a modem chip—a part that connects iPhones to wireless carriers—led to the hiring of thousands of engineers. The goal…

Apple managed to design its own state-of-the-art CPUs. I wouldn't have imagined that designing its own modem would be such a difficult challenge?

CPUs can be easily developed in an ecosystem where annual updates and the ability to end-of-life hardware older than a decade are the norm. Cellular network opereators share none of those properties with Apple, and so any new modem chip designed to interoperate with carriers would necessarily be an order of magnitude more difficult to implement than an CPU that only needs to interoperate with Xcode would be.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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post #345

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

Fairly misleading, since according to the comparison on their site ( https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16,ip... ) the slightly-bigger 6.3 inch iPhone 16 Pro gets 27 hours of video playback vs the 16e's 26 hours. (Regular iPhone 16 is 22 though.)

> iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone
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