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Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by oglop »

stainablesteel wrote: post #225
cbare wrote: post #133

The US has the strongest university and research system in the world. Wrecking that will be one of the worst acts of self-harm ever.

It's also highly discriminatory and ideological. Decades of discrimination will lead people to want to come back and tear it down, you reap what you sow.

The fuck are you taking about? They can’t even fill the seats with the demographic bomb hitting. Dude, populations change. Therefore they have demand and supply they meet. I don’t care for the system for other reasons but discriminatory? Get fucking real.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by mewc »

dan_can_code wrote: post #3

The cynic in me thinks that the US is going to roll over and take this fascist shake down. The optimist in me thinks that the people will rise up with a resounding NO and do something about it. Right now I'm not sure which I believe.

What is happening is a good thing. rm corruption -rf

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by scarab92 »

tstactplsignore wrote: post #395
scarab92 wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Academics should keep in mind that they rely on the generosity of taxpayers to fund their research. They don’t have an entitlement to other people’s money, and if they are perceived as wasting it or spending in discriminatorily then you should expect the public to become less willing to give it to you.

Voters are overwhelmingly in favor of funding US science. They are overwhelmingly in favor funding US international aid. The public thinks we spend way more on these than we do. The idea that the blatantly illegal actions by the current administration reflect public will simply isn't based in any kind of reality- just calling it out as a lie.

I'm sure voters have more nuanced opinions than just "science" and "foreign aid".

For example, I suspect the public strongly supports taxpayer funding of medical research, but strongly opposes taxpayer funding for social sciences.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by refurb »

bawolff wrote: post #4

Seems like a good opportunity for other countries to recruit scientists. I think its underappreciated how much of America's modern success comes down to attracting scientists and intellectuals from war torn europe in the 30s-50s.

I think this comment confused a few things.

First off, there is no evidence the US will never fund science again.

Second, top scientific positions in the US are at academic labs, not at NIH (bare a few top people spending some time there). The top academic labs in the US get some funding from NIH, but the top ones get it from a ton of sources with NIH not being the bulk of it.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by throwfgtpwd234 »

magicink81 wrote: post #192
throwfgtpwd234 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrecked how? Fixed how? Can you describe either or are you just saying words?

US scientific research funding is largely driven by nepotism and favoritism. Insiders know but don't talk too much about it. They have a few options: a) just quietly stay in the system trying their best to do good work b) join the gravy train through social climbing c) quietly leave and move on with their careers.

Please name a specific government grant that was given to a specific researcher based nepotism and favoritism.

The last time I checked when I worked at a Stanford biomedical university department that was substantially NIH-funded, there were 2 full time employee grant writers who had to supply the government grant process with a laundry list of specific data with each carefully-worded proposal because they were regularly competing with other universities to win a specific grant.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by nicce »

refurb wrote: post #465
bawolff wrote: post #4

Seems like a good opportunity for other countries to recruit scientists. I think its underappreciated how much of America's modern success comes down to attracting scientists and intellectuals from war torn europe in the 30s-50s.

I think this comment confused a few things. First off, there is no evidence the US will never fund science again. Second, top scientific positions in the US are at academic labs, not at NIH (bare a few top people spending some time there). The top academic labs in the US get some funding from NIH, but the top ones get it from a ton of sources with NIH not being the bulk of it.

But does anyone take any science seriously anymore, if the conditions of the US funding would be that don't even mention the topics related to women or climate change?

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by pjc50 »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #236
softwaredoug wrote: post #206

The big thing is this isn't really about any real monetary savings. What we get out of these budgets is a bargain: > The biggest single share of the NIH budget goes to the NCI ($7.8 billion in 2024), and the second-most to the NIAID ($6.5 billion) with the National Institute of Aging coming in third at $4.4 billion. (See the tables on numbered pages 11 and 46 of that link at the beginning of the paragraph for the det…

Social security and Medicare are inexpugnable liabilities.

Everything is expendable if you kick in the door and fire everyone, like USAID. I think they're politically smart enough to not cut off the elderly voters, but who knows.

Re: What's happening inside the NIH and NSF

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Post by throwfgtpwd234 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #225
cbare wrote: post #133

The US has the strongest university and research system in the world. Wrecking that will be one of the worst acts of self-harm ever.

It's also highly discriminatory and ideological. Decades of discrimination will lead people to want to come back and tear it down, you reap what you sow.

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