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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by gadflyinyoureye »

valunord wrote: post #452
SeptiumMMX wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, fact-checking works if it's done impartially. So, if you want to fairly fact-check a political debate, each side should have their own team of researchers/fact-checkers being equally able to object to an argument made by the opposing party. Due process, sort of, kind of. But I don't think I've ever seen that done actually. Usually, fact checkers are akin to Reddit moderators. Technically independent, but with o…

Let's first work on eliminating political parties altogether, then let's work on eliminating bias.

I like this idea, but doubt it works. People naturally coalesce around ideas. That cohesion is then call a political party. The only way to get rid of parties is to get rid of freedom of organization.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by throw101010 »

timhigins wrote: post #436

Removing these records from the public internet could likely be considered illegal under the OPEN Government Data Act, 44 U.S.C. § 3506: > (d) With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall— (3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or terminating significant information dissemination products; (4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute— (A) establish an exclusi…

If this was an order from the President as an official act, no scrutiny can be applied here in any court (broad immunity recently granted by the SCOTUS: absolute immunity for actions within his core constitutional powers and presumptive immunity for other official acts)... so good luck proving any wrongdoing without any evidence...

If you go after any of the underlings who executed such order, they are likely getting auto-pardonned by Trump if he gave the order (otherwise it will make it harder to find people to execute his "illegal" orders next). There is no such thing as illegal for this administration. Wake up.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by astrange »

juujian wrote: post #445
timhigins wrote: post #436

Removing these records from the public internet could likely be considered illegal under the OPEN Government Data Act, 44 U.S.C. § 3506: > (d) With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall— (3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or terminating significant information dissemination products; (4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute— (A) establish an exclusi…

Damage done, mission accomplished... If you do something illegal and can get away with it relatively unscathed, then it isn't in practice illegal.

How do you know you've gotten away with it? That takes the rest of your life. (Well, statute of limitations.)

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by what »

watwut wrote: post #292
Xunjin wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed it is, but maybe is time that we detach a person from their proposals. I wonder how that would be achieved.

First step would be to apologize to a trans woman for unleashing campaign of harassment for making a small ad for a beer and campaign to boycott that beer. You know, for making them first example of what you will do to those who do not sign to your gender idealogy.

What?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by astrange »

SeptiumMMX wrote: post #421
wilg wrote: post #363

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> Have you noticed how in the past decade or two we have totally abandoned the pursuit of happiness through self-reliance and independence? No.

Interesting. If you don't mind me asking, at what age do you plan to retire, what funds to you plan to use to cover the living expenses, and what skill set are you trying to pass to your kids so they will be able to afford moving out and staring their own families? I'm asking because things things are getting harder every year and the media has a permanent blind eye on them.

"Things" are not getting harder every year; if you only see negative things in the world, this is a sign you have depression more than anything.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by jimmydoe »

Tyrubias wrote: post #3

It’s terrifying that data US taxpayers paid for, collected and analyzed in the name of public health, can be removed on a whim. While there are a lot of efforts to archive said data, it would still make it unavailable to Americans who are not tech savvy. Unfortunately, that seems to be the idea, I think.

majority of voters have made an ultimate choice. everything has to serve the choice. if you pay tax but don't or can't vote, sorry, it's your own problem.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by _heimdall »

hackyhacky wrote: post #453
_heimdall wrote: post #442

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I think the problem there is the powers granted to government rather than how today's people decide to wield it. Facts are never really decided, things can always change if we learn something new or just consider what we know from a different angle. The problem here is that anyone in charge can decide what they believe is fact and make very real, very impactful changes that they force on everyone else.

> The problem here is that anyone in charge can decide what they believe is fact and make very real, very impactful changes that they force on everyone else. Sure, such is the nature of power. Thus has it always been. What's novel is not that people in charge can broadcast their favored view of facts, but that anyone can broadcast their favored view of facts, which has to led to the current demoralization crisis: in…

> but that anyone can broadcast their favored view of facts

Some blame, if not a majority, belongs on whoever actually hears those views and facts though. Knowing someone's intent is extremely hard, it really shouldn't matter whether they intend to mislead or believe what they are saying. Just because someone shares what they may honestly believe to be a fact doesn't mean we have to take it as fact.

We lack critical thinking and somehow landed in a spot where we're highly skeptical of anyone in charge but completely believe what a random person writes online. It honestly doesn't matter what facts are being shared or whether they are accurate, without critical thinking and the ability to discern for ourselves how could this ever play out well?

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Post by klipt »

honestSysAdmin wrote: post #252
RIMR wrote: post #113

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People aren't downvoting because they disagree about what's happening. They are downvoting because they agree with fascism, but don't like it when people say the truth out loud. It's a fundamental reality of fascism that those who support it will also deflect all valid criticism of their movement. A majority of U.S. voters chose this. After all that was already known about this admin, they aren't backing down, he's d…

If fascism means secure borders, an end to the kinetic conflict in Ukraine, an end to social media censorship, and a booming economy, more than half the country will vote for fascism. Promises fulfilled or not aside.

Trump tariffs are definitely not going to make the economy boom...

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by viraptor »

astrange wrote: post #463
juujian wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damage done, mission accomplished... If you do something illegal and can get away with it relatively unscathed, then it isn't in practice illegal.

How do you know you've gotten away with it? That takes the rest of your life. (Well, statute of limitations.)

It's going to be a couple months at most. If it's not punished immediately, it's practically legal with the current gov. And the next one will have way bigger things to unfuck than some missing documents.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by mikeyouse »

smallerize wrote: post #459
po wrote: post #454

My prediction is that any future data that is published will likely show up in the x.com app. I believe they are trying to privatize all government functions and Musk wants X to be the official government super-app similar to China's system.

NTSB has already said this. https://xcancel.com/NTSB_Newsroom/status/1885734974298435943

Just astonishingly corrupt. Good lord.
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