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Post by throw_pm23 » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 4:32 PM UTC

brookst wrote: post #330

saturn8601 wrote: post #178

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No he is right, hardware manufacturers treat software as a line item and just part of the BOM. Typically just contracted out (although some are trying to change that) Thats why its typically mediocre from companies outside of SV. You need a software first agile mentality from the leadership of the company on downwards and these legacy companies just dont have it.

The problem with hardware companies is they’re bad at software because the disciplines are so different that what works for one doesn’t work for the other. The problem with software companies is they’re bad at hardware for the same reason. User experience companies can be good at both. Maybe not as good at hardware as a hardware company, maybe not as good at software as software companies. Apple’s the obvious example…

OK, I'll bite. How is selling shitty coffee in large quantities a good example of either software or hardware excellence?

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by igouy » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #442

ninetyninenine wrote: post #428

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No it’s from a book called design patterns. It forever influenced a huge number of American programmers to think about programming in a very specific way following very specific patterns. I’m working for a company that’s doing things in typescript using IOC and dependency injection everywhere. It pervades the minds of Americans such that they walk and talk like a parrot parroting that book. What Americans don’t reali…

> No it’s from a book called design patterns I think you will find most Java programmers were using these patterns before they came across the book. The language naturally leads you in that direction. The book just put a name on them.

September 17, 1987 "Using Pattern Languages for Object-Oriented Programs"

https://c2.com/doc/oopsla87.html

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 5:27 PM UTC

VagabundoP wrote: post #448

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #351

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I mentioned the surveys to indicate the complicity of the civilian population in Hamas’s actions. Often people claim the residents of Gaza didn’t vote for Hamas since the last election was in 2006. But the surveys reveal that most of them do support them and their religious terrorism. > "Surveys" cannot make collective punishment legal, or annexation and ethnic cleansing for that matter. What do you mean by annexatio…

You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index There are better models of democracy around. Israel have the right to defend their country of course, but Palestinians have the right to fight occupation under international law. They are massively repressed around the world - try support…

> You mentioned America as an examplar of demcracy further up, while in truth it is an extremely flawed model of democracy

I disagree with your framing, as does your source. The index you shared does not paint America as "extremely flawed", but just flawed (and even so, almost at the score of getting their highest rank). So adding the word "extremely" is your editorial take. However, their rating system is not transparent - it's not clear who they surveyed or what questions they asked. It's also clear this rating system is only somewhat correct in scoring countries - for example both Canada and Australia are democracies but have notable restrictions on free speech, a core principle of a free society and any democracy - but they were ranked higher than the US.

> Anyone can be labelled a terrorist.

Labels can be misused, but what actually happened? Has Israel been shooting rockets indiscriminately into Gaza? No, but people in Gaza have been doing that for a few decades now. In fact, the rocket attacks got a lot worse after Israel left Gaza in 2005. Is that not terrorism?

> It is Israels fault if they kill civilians

How can it be when they're pursuing terrorists who choose to use human shields on purpose? Israel has been careful to announce targets ahead of time and has gone above and beyond what any other country would to avoid civilian casualties. But in this situation, which was created by Hamas and their supporters, a country that wishes to protect itself from attacks can't achieve zero civilian deaths. That's unrealistic for any conflict, but especially this one.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 5:33 PM UTC

TeaBrain wrote: post #460

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #308

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Did Snowden lose his citizenship? No. The US cannot revoke his citizenship per its laws. He fled to Russia and took an oath of citizenship there in 2022. But he didn’t renounce his US citizenship either.

What the above user is thinking of is how Snowden's passport validity was reportedly revoked in 2013, right after he had landed in Moscow.

Yea that might be it. But that doesn't strike me as unusual either. There are many situations where a criminal charged with a lot less has to surrender documents as a condition of being allowed out on bail while they await trial, if they're considered a flight risk. In Snowden's case, he knew he was going to face a lengthy criminal process and would be detained, so he (perhaps correctly) chose to leave before he made his revelations and before his movement was restricted.

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Post by robomartin » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 5:43 PM UTC

dutchbookmaker wrote: post #435

robomartin wrote: post #310

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It's even more fundamental than that. Any data center project currently under way or with plans to open within the next year or two has already place orders with NVidia or will do so very soon. Due to demand and lead times, you have to order to critical parts and systems today if you want to have half a chance of receiving them a year from now. Hardware supply lines are long and complex. I like to say that you cannot…

Because all this with the stock price has nothing to do with reality. Everyone just starts repeating the same things until people believe them as fact. The "sell off" was basically nothing. Who cares that the NVDA went back to the price it was in October then bounced in the after market one day. It is a complete non-story. Even at the bottom of the "sell off" it was still up 20% from the end of summer. Listening to a…

To be fair, the problem (if we are going to call it a problem) might be more fundamental than that.

The reality is that your average "civilian" stock investor, speaking in very generalized terms, is supremely ignorant.

I don't say this as a pejorative BTW. I am supremely ignorant of the inner workings of the pharmaceutical industry. Because of this, I do not invest in that sector. I have no way to understand any of it at a depth sufficient for me to make informed decisions. I'd be throwing darts at a board.

That is precisely the situation with lots of investors in the chips, electronics and software worlds. They don't know what they are doing. They have no clue whatsoever about the business cycles and realities of making these things, selling them, bringing them to market, competitive landscapes, implementation, etc.

And so, they are blind and reactive. If they stay in panic mode, we might very well see NVidia stock get down to $100. Frankly, I am actually rooting for that. I want all of these fools to get off the stock. And I want to load-up on it some more. They don't understand business (in general) enough to understand the relationship between DeepSeek and data centers, planned and future. They don't even stop to think about the reality that nobody in business who isn't a fool is going to use an AI service in China or developed by China. If they are hyperventilating about TikTok, I cannot even imagine what it would be like if all AI queries go to servers in China or are answered by models trained in China. I love China for all they have achieved, but it is no secret that they are not an open society at the level of most western societies.

I think we just have to wait until the sheep stop running before sanity will return to the field. They are getting hurt very badly. It's sad to watch.

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Post by EGreg » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #395

EGreg wrote: post #299

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I think AI is a bubble. The amount of compute for inference is vastly overestimated, because a lot of caching is coming. It's driven by maniacal statements like Sam Altman's insistence that we must spend Trillions on compute, to achieve AGI, and it's more important than anything else. Project Stargate is some large fraction of that, and of course Softbank is no stranger to losing money on overestimating demand (for e…

Which is great for us, we'll have loads of cheap compute and hopefully a bunch more carbon free energy supply, assuming that the AI stuff all ends in tears (for now).

Yep! Shareholders and capitalists overinvesting in stuff is great if it leaves behind great infrastructure. They take the risk and the public benefits.

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Post by SSLy » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 6:02 PM UTC

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #346

heelix wrote: post #105

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Our US company sent me to France to help out with an implementation. The guy I worked with spoke very little English and my French is terrible. Both of us had done Latin, however - so the comments were hilarious as we used that as our common link. One of those projects I'd expect to show on the daily WTF at some point. I did try my hand at a translation tool, as it was all i18n up proper. Watched one guy blow coffee…

Isn't it true that schoolboys in many countries would learn Latin 100+ years ago? I suppose it would've been used sometimes in international communication?

My high school ( late 00s) had Latin classes for some students on the live sciences track.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 6:42 PM UTC

maxglute wrote: post #379

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #376

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> It absolutely does not qualify as genocide Even just forced sterilization and abortions, which you admitted and rebranded as “enforcing family planning”, is genocide under international law. > Parents rotate through reeducation for a few months, temporary seperation in interim, family reunited after. Your few months claim is false. But let’s say it isn’t - are you really claiming this is okay? “Yea they just kidnap…

Last effort reply. > is genocide under international law No, genocide is conditional on intention to destroy. Which PRC policy isn't. It's just boring family planning that always applied to Han, that minorities historically got to opt out due to affirmative action, now equally applied to Uyhghurs with 3+ kids. Meanwhile Uyghur population contiues to increase, and family planning still limits Uyghurs and minorities to…

I am not convinced by your framing and some of the factual claims you have made. I am able to find sources that disagree. But in an effort to be curious - do you have any sources of your own (like news articles or research or documents or videos or whatever) that support the things you're claiming here and in your other messages?

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Post by Twirrim » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 8:16 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #300

Twirrim wrote: post #280

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> I would say most organizations are completely devoid of that type of supervision and oversight. It's unfortunately far too counter to "move fast and break stuff" that startup space tends to be enamored of, because they tend to want you to do things safely and try to avoid a "Front page of the New York Times" type of security event.

Has being on the front page of the NYT for a software bug or leak killed any companies? I think they correctly believe security failures are at most a short term PR problem as far as the market is concerned.

Sure wish it meant more than it does. Sorry that "Front page of the NYT" phrase is one I've been using since back when everyone would have expected it to be the death of a company!

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Post by tasty_freeze » Thu, Jan 30, 2025, 8:42 PM UTC

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #308

tasty_freeze wrote: post #289

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If you rat out the government doing unconstitutional things, you lose your citizenship.

Did Snowden lose his citizenship? No. The US cannot revoke his citizenship per its laws. He fled to Russia and took an oath of citizenship there in 2022. But he didn’t renounce his US citizenship either.

Say someone says drink the cup of wiper fluid or I will shoot you, so you drink the wiper fluid. In a literal sense, you chose to drink the wiper fluid. I think most people would understand that you were forced to drink the wiper fluid.