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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by sneak »

jjulius wrote: post #454
sneak wrote: post #443

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I think the idea that a) people lack nuance now or b) that it’s simply social media’s fault is the exact same kind of lack of nuance that you seem to be objecting to. Nothing I’ve seen suggests that mass media or mass propaganda contains less nuance now versus any other time. Propaganda of all forms (regardless of whether delivered by newspaper, radio, tv, or facebook) has always been a blunt instrument.

I'm talking less about propaganda and more about the average person's ability to discuss the merits of climate change with one another online.

The average person doesn’t discuss, they repost. The things they repost are propaganda (be it true or untrue).

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by barbazoo »

stronglikedan wrote: post #309
tshaddox wrote: post #297

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> because the word for delay in French is offensive in English It's also the word for delay in English.

It's also not offensive in English, even though some virtue signalers insist on taking offense to it.

There's offensive use of that term in English, for sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by intended »

mhh__ wrote: post #379
aimazon wrote: post #313

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Fact checkers are the technocratic solution, they're a panel of experts to Community Note's jury of our peers. Fact checkers are a much better product feature than community notes if we want a feature that best serves people who care about facts. That's not our world, though. People don't care about facts, we are humans, our lives are lived based on vibes. The average person would rather listen to their idiot friend'…

"People don't care about facts" is such an asinine reactionary way of thinking about macro dynamics in the world. It has no predictive power at all.

It’s true. Fact checking was found to scarcely impact misinfo.

I’m in the field and I am thinking of how to work without focusing on truth, because that’s how most humans work!

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by pintxo »

gruez wrote: post #410
kiney wrote: post #397

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most of those things are actually not verifiable measurable facts within any useful definition

??? Aside from maybe "whether crime is up or down" (because of under-reporting), everything else can be objectively measured. The measurements might not fit with everyone's specific circumstance (eg. earth is warming as a whole but it's unseasonably cold where you live), but that's not a reason to throw up our hands and say "those things are actually not verifiable measurable facts within any useful definition".

There are rarely any two people experiencing the same inflation rate. As it heavily depends on any one buyers buying basket. Sure, you could, in theory, measure each persons inflation rate, but what for?

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Post by orblivion »

flavius29663 wrote: post #444
gruez wrote: post #410

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??? Aside from maybe "whether crime is up or down" (because of under-reporting), everything else can be objectively measured. The measurements might not fit with everyone's specific circumstance (eg. earth is warming as a whole but it's unseasonably cold where you live), but that's not a reason to throw up our hands and say "those things are actually not verifiable measurable facts within any useful definition".

> - whether the earth is warming or not The Earth is warming, but how much of it is caused by humans is under debate. The Earth is still coming out of an ice age, so it would be warming even without humans. Also, the more important question is: how much will it accelerate based on our emissions? If there are no positive feedback loops, it would only warm up 1C maximum, no matter how much more CO2 we will emit. But be…

To be fair, the cause of the warming wasn't given as an example of indisputable fact.

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Post by HappMacDonald »

bamboozled wrote: post #52
phatfish wrote: post #20

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> it means people who care about the content being right will have to engage more with the Meta products to ensure their worldview is correctly represented. Or maybe such people have far better things to do than fact check concern trolls and paid propagandists.

I pay for some news subscriptions now. I actually love it. Read it, support journalism , log off. Done.

Right, so from where?

Many of us might pay for journalism if we knew who was producing content not already beholden to some ridiculous bias sink.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by wat10000 »

pests wrote: post #336
ok_dad wrote: post #324

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> "acoustic" to refer to an autistic person Is autistic an illegal word or something? What the fuck?

It’s self-censorship, some of which I find extremely weird and cringe. Go on Twitter and you will see people self-censor the normal swear words too. Shit becomes “sht”, fuck becomes “fck” Very dystopian.

It’s very human. This is no different from people using terms like gosh, shucks, and darn, instead of their stronger relatives. It’s just how profanity works, no need to worry about it.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by tshaddox »

stronglikedan wrote: post #309
tshaddox wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because the word for delay in French is offensive in English It's also the word for delay in English.

It's also not offensive in English, even though some virtue signalers insist on taking offense to it.

Have you ever seen someone use the slur without intending the same mean-spiritedness that the "virtue signalers" are taking offense to?

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Post by barbazoo »

hcurtiss wrote: post #328
stronglikedan wrote: post #309

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It's also not offensive in English, even though some virtue signalers insist on taking offense to it.

Right. I made a reference to educational development being retarded due to COVID restrictions and the very people you'd expect to be offended were of course offended.

Perhaps because virtually no one uses the term in that context anymore. It is often best to avoid ambiguity when posting online.

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Post by guax »

qingcharles wrote: post #206
oliviergg wrote: post #54

Zuck claims "Europe has an ever increasing number of laws,institutionalizing censorship and making difficult to build something innovative" Ouch. As a European, I feel very wary of such a sentence and the implications. Time for Europe to wake up ? (edit: fix typos)

As a European I would say that Europe's governments are radically more focused on the well-being of their populations than say, the USA. But... is it just luck or is it this Nanny-state issue that makes it very hard to think of a single major Internet destination or tech company that was born in Europe?

To me its seems that its all about cash: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Internet_compa...

The through-line is US/China with the vast majority. Eu I can only think of Spotify for non-retail.

Being in Europe I find no shortage of local versions of companies for all kinds of providers but only the large social media or platforms are outside of EU mostly in US as a rule.

The issue seems to be that saturation is real and the moat gets larger with time when companies just gobble up all their competition. How could Here maps compete with the free google maps + apples large pockets, etc. TomTom used to be much larger and European, seems to still survive but nowhere near to the size it could've otherwise.

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