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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by muchosandwich »

vonneumannstan wrote: post #306
ActionHank wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

No gamers need such high VRAM, if you're buying Gaming cards for ML work you're doing it wrong.

It seems like the 90-series cards are going to be targeting prosumers again. People who play games but may use their desktop for work as well. Some people are doing AI training on some multiple of 3090/4090 today but historically the Titan cards that preceded the 90s cards were used by game developers, video editors and other content developers. I think NVIDIA is going to try to move the AI folks onto Digits and return the 90-series back to its roots but also add in some GenAI workloads.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by danudey »

numpy-thagoras wrote: post #389

Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

> All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering.

> Something tells me Nvidia made next to no gains for this generation.

Sounds to me like they made "massive gains". In the end, what matters to gamers is

1. Do my games look good? 2. Do my games run well?

If I can go from 45 FPS to 120 FPS and the quality is still there, I don't care if it's because of frame generation and neural upscaling and so on. I'm not going to be upset that it's not lovingly rasterized pixel by pixel if I'm getting the same results (or better, in some cases) from DLSS.

To say that Nvidia made no gains this generation makes no sense when they've apparently figured out how to deliver better results to users for less money.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by winwang »

Scene_Cast2 wrote: post #334
jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

I heavily power limited my 4090. Works great.

Yep. I use ~80% and barely see any perf degradation. I use 270W for my 3090 (out of 350W+).

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by int_19h »

ryao wrote: post #95
lostmsu wrote: post #76

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All of this is true only while no software is utilizing parallel inference of multiple LLM queries. The Macs will hit the wall.

People interested in running multiple LLM queries in parallel are not people who would consider buying Apple Silicon.

There are other ways to parallelize even a single query for faster output, e.g. speculative decoding with small draft models.

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Post by jajko »

Aerroon wrote: post #298
tbolt wrote: post #235

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Maybe, but if they strapped these with 64gb+ wouldn’t that be wasted on folks buying it for its intended purpose? Gaming. Though the “intended use” is changing and has been for a bit now.

The only reason gaming doesn't use all the VRAM is because typically GPUs don't have all the VRAM. If they did then games would somehow find a way to use it.

Game engines are optimized for lowest common denominator, being in this case consoles. PC games are rarely exclusivities, so same engine has to make it running with least ram available and differences between versions are normally small.

One normally uses some ultra texture pack to utilize current gen card's memory fully on many games.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by throwaway48476 »

danudey wrote: post #462
numpy-thagoras wrote: post #389

Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

> All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. > Something tells me Nvidia made next to no gains for this generation. Sounds to me like they made "massive gains". In the end, what matters to gamers is 1. Do my games look good? 2. Do my games run well? If I can go from 45 FPS to 120 FPS and the quality is still there, I don't care if it's because of f…

Fake frames, fake gains

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by solardev »

chmod775 wrote: post #368
intellix wrote: post #351

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Why is that a problem though? Newer and more GPU intensive games get to benefit from DLSS 4 and older games already run fine. What games without DLSS support could have done with a boost? I've heard this twice today so curious why it's being mentioned so often.

I for one don't like the DLSS/TAA look at all. Between the lack of sharpness, motion blur and ghosting, I don't understand how people can look at that and consider it an upgrade. Let's not even get into the horror that is frame generation. They're a graphics downgrade that gives me a headache and I turn the likes of TAA and DLSS off in every game I can. I'm far from alone in this. So why should we consider to buy a G…

Do you find DLSS unacceptable even on "quality" mode without frame generation?

I've found it an amazing balance between quality and performance (ultra everything with quality DLSS looks and run way better than, say, medium without DLSS). But I also don't have great vision, lol.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by simoncion »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #345
sigmoid10 wrote: post #243

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That was mostly about Nvidia's pricing. It's basically impossible to compete economically with the founders editions because Nvidia doesn't charge themselves a hefty markup on the chip. That's why their own cards always sell out instantly and then the aftermarket GPU builders can fight to pick up the scraps. The whole idea of the founders edition seems to be to make a quick buck immediately after release. Long term i…

This years founders edition is what I really want from a GPU. Stop wasting my 2nd PCIe slot because you've made it 3.5/4 slots BIG! It is insane that they are now cooling 575W with two slots in height.

I would suggest getting a case that has a set of inbuilt (typically vertically-oriented) expansion card slots positioned a distance away from the regular expansion card slots, mount your graphics card there, and connect it to the motherboard with a PCI-E riser cable. It's what I did and I kicked myself for not doing it years prior.

I have no experience with PCI-E 5 cables, but I've a PCI-E 4 riser cable from Athena Power that works just fine (and that you can buy right now on Newegg). It doesn't have any special locking mechanism, so I was concerned that it would work its way off of the card or out of the mobo slot... but it has been in place for years now with no problem.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by richwater »

ewild wrote: post #460
alekratz wrote: post #397

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If you can get a 5090 for that price, I'll eat my hat. scalpers with their armies of bots will buy them all before you get a chance.

it is absurdly easy to get a 5090 on launch. ive gotten their flagship from their website FE every single launch without fail. from 2080 to 3090 to 4090

i absolutely do not believe you

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by CSDude »

danudey wrote: post #462
numpy-thagoras wrote: post #389

Similar CUDA core counts for most SKUs compared to last gen (except in the 5090 vs. 4090 comparison). Similar clock speeds compared to the 40-series. The 5090 just has way more CUDA cores and uses proportionally more power compared to the 4090, when going by CUDA core comparisons and clock speed alone. All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. Som…

> All of the "massive gains" were comparing DLSS and other optimization strategies to standard hardware rendering. > Something tells me Nvidia made next to no gains for this generation. Sounds to me like they made "massive gains". In the end, what matters to gamers is 1. Do my games look good? 2. Do my games run well? If I can go from 45 FPS to 120 FPS and the quality is still there, I don't care if it's because of f…

I have 2070 Super. Latest Call of Duty runs on 4k with good quality using DLSS with 60 fps and I can't notice at all (unless I look very closely, even with my 6k ProDisplay XDR) so yeah I was thinking of building a 5090 based computer and it will probably last many more years than my 2070 super with latest AI developments.
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