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Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by seanmcdirmid » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 6:09 PM UTC

specialist wrote: post #457

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #303

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The factor was calling the economy a bad economy, they are already backtracking on promises since the economy is doing pretty well already and they won’t be able to juice it much more. Anyone who thinks 49.9% of the vote (vs 48.4%) is a landslide will quickly find them in negative approval ratings if they think that gives them much political capital (if trump focuses and spending rather than earning capital, that is,…

Politics is about rhetoric, not reality. Recall that GWB declared a mandate (to reverse all progressive social programs since the New Deal) when he squeaked out a victory over Kerry.

Ya, but then hurricane Katrina happened and he flubbed it.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by Bilal_io » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 8:42 PM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #458

Bilal_io wrote: post #445

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You're doing what others do, you're picking stuff out of context. Start by reading a few verses before and after each one of the verses you mentioned, then we can discuss them further. Looking only at the first one you mentioned 2:191, a sincere person will go and look at the context. 2:190 literally says "Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits.1 Allah…

And not very far later, "And be mindful of Allah, and know that Allah is severe in punishment." That's bullshit. God is love. End of story. Any other claim is bullshit. It makes no sense to have a punitive God in charge of everything. Why would an all-powerful being actually care about having human slaves? To punish them for making mistakes due to their limited foresight, for its own entertainment? It would get bored…

That's a strawman, we never claimed that God doesn't punish, not sure where you got the idea that God will let people do wrong (someone like Hitler) and then they go unpunished the hereafter. It's fine if you don't believe in Heaven and Hell, but that was never the point of this discussion.

> No wonder there are so few Christian terrorists compared to Muslim ones.

Fix the definition and you'll see how wrong you are. Were the crusades terrorism? Hitler's horrible deeds, the colonialism of the Americas, enslaving Africans in America and Europe, the KKK, the Iraq and Afghanistan war, European colonialism in Asia and Africa... the list goes on and on.

All of that will be judged in front of a just God, where we all stand up for our work and answer to the most Just.

Have a good day.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by bobxmax » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 10:14 PM UTC

pmarreck wrote: post #460

bobxmax wrote: post #448

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Good god what a stupid post. I knew I was in for a treat when you claimed a Hasan hadith was being used to justify murdering people, but then you followed it up with every verse you could find vaguely mentioning Jews and even some completely unrelated to them. It's like reading a fundie from Louisiana's "evidence" against vaccines on Facebook. "USAF Veteran" - OK makes sense now. You emptied your brain and drank the…

Literally every other day now we hear about a violent act by someone radicalized by the book you're defending. Either the New Orleans guy or the Vegas guy (or both; I can't keep track because there are so many) even had a Quran open to the page that inspired him. EDIT: It was the New Orleans guy: https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/us-news/new-orleans-isis-terro... For some reason, none of them ever have a Bible or a Torah…

i aint reading all that

happy for u tho

or sorry that happened

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by bobxmax » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 2:12 AM UTC

Bilal_io wrote: post #462

pmarreck wrote: post #458

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And not very far later, "And be mindful of Allah, and know that Allah is severe in punishment." That's bullshit. God is love. End of story. Any other claim is bullshit. It makes no sense to have a punitive God in charge of everything. Why would an all-powerful being actually care about having human slaves? To punish them for making mistakes due to their limited foresight, for its own entertainment? It would get bored…

That's a strawman, we never claimed that God doesn't punish, not sure where you got the idea that God will let people do wrong (someone like Hitler) and then they go unpunished the hereafter. It's fine if you don't believe in Heaven and Hell, but that was never the point of this discussion. > No wonder there are so few Christian terrorists compared to Muslim ones. Fix the definition and you'll see how wrong you are.…

Look at his profile, he's an autistic Nazi with deep psychological issues... not worth engaging further with a clearly unstable individual lol

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by waldrews » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 2:46 AM UTC

waldrews wrote: post #156

To this day, asking Deepseek "what model are you" typically gives the answer "I'm an AI language model called ChatGPT, created by OpenAI. Specifically, I'm based on the GPT-4 architecture, which is designed to understand and generate human-like text based on the input I receive. My training data includes a wide range of information up until October 2023, and I can assist with answering questions, generating text, and…

Update: as of today, the response is consistently:

"Hi! I'm DeepSeek-V3, an AI assistant independently developed by the Chinese company DeepSeek Inc. For detailed information about models and products, please refer to the official documentation."

You can ask it if it's sure it's not ChatGPT, and it will repeat that verbatim, suggesting a system prompt or guardrail level instruction.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by fennecbutt » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 7:45 PM UTC

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #436

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #417

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That's not what "software engineers" in Silicon Valley or Redmond typically do. They write software that usurps other people's computing resources, e.g., CPU, storage and an internet connection that they do not pay for. It's one reason I use NetBSD, custom barebones Linux. I write and compile software on single core old computers and cheap eMMC laptops.

Based on the ones I have worked with and the news and commments I read on HN I do not consider "software engineers" to be professionals. I have personally seen how they waste enormous amounts of time.

Imagine having the worldview that everyone should be writing NASA code. Ahahaha.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by roca » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:52 AM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #266

roca wrote: post #248

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On the contrary, real wages in the USA are the highest they've ever been. Social media and fentanyl are making people unhappy but for most people it's not an economic problem.

The bad economy is the biggest (arguably only) reason Trump won against Harris, and by a landslide at that. You may think that expensive gasoline and cartons of eggs are a meme, but the reality is that the economy has become pretty damn Shite(tm) for the commons. Costs of living are objectively higher than they were just a couple years ago and incomes haven't kept pace either. The stock market is having the time of i…

You can cherry-pick problems here and there, of course, but the aggregate statistics are pretty clear. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by roca » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:55 AM UTC

ijidak wrote: post #279

roca wrote: post #249

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If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal. In the 1990s everyone thought Japan was going to be the next superpower and that was just fine.

Ha! Do you remember the panic induced by a rising Japan in the late 80's and early 90's. The fear of the "Red Sun Rising". The fear that Japan was going to own most of the valuable real estate in America. The forcing of Japanese car companies to onshore to protect American jobs. Blaming of Japanese industrial policy as being unfair competition. It was the collapse of the Japanese growth engine in the mid 90's that fi…

I remember those years pretty well. There was a lot of hand-wringing but not a lot of concrete action, very much unlike the situation with China now.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by roca » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:57 AM UTC

FpUser wrote: post #404

roca wrote: post #249

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If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal. In the 1990s everyone thought Japan was going to be the next superpower and that was just fine.

>"... and that was just fine." No it was not. The US had taken whole bunch of steps to prevent this from happening and those steps were anything but "let's free market decide" and "compete on merits". It is a real problem for any country or block. As soon as it looks like it threatens leading position of the US all the gloves come of. Obviously not specific to the US. Any other country would do the same given a chanc…

What steps are you thinking of? Nothing like what is currently happening with China, I'm sure of that.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by roca » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 11:00 AM UTC

suraci wrote: post #312

roca wrote: post #249

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If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal. In the 1990s everyone thought Japan was going to be the next superpower and that was just fine.

> If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal Correction: If it accepts the stationing of U.S. troops and succumbs to U.S. financial policies, it's not a big deal Japan and Germany have paid a huge price to demonstrate their friendship to the U.S. That was not 'just fine'

What does "succumb to US financial policies" even mean?

The situation has waxed and waned but in general West Germany and Japan at the government level have been pretty happy to have US troops stationed there while facing off against the Soviet Union (now Russia) and China. The Ukrainians and the Baltics would love to have some US troops stationed there right now.