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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by _djo_ »

Amezarak wrote: post #451
_djo_ wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s false. The programme was explicitly launched to highlight accounts that Twitter the company had verified as actually representing the person. [0] It was launched after the company was sued by a sports star who was impersonated. Until Musk took over it could always be relied on as proof of an account’s authenticity. What you’re complaining about isn’t that it represented something else, but that as with any lar…

Yes, bluechecks were who they said they were. But just because you were who you said you were did not mean you could get a bluecheck. Bluecheck -> authentic. Authentic !> bluecheck. There was no path for most people almost all of the time to get a bluecheck, and they could be removed for arbitrary reasons having nothing to do with your identity. The "process" consisted of someone at Twitter deciding you were worthy,…

Your post said Blue ticks had nothing to do with being "verified" or "authentic." and It was a mark of social cachet, not authenticity..

That is clearly false. The blue check was an accurate signal of authenticity through verification by Twitter. What it was not was a universal verification mechanism that scaled to being able to verify everyone who used the platform. Those are two different things, and the lack of universality does not mean that the programme was not useful in valuable in providing a means to prove authenticity and avoid impersonation of the many people it did cover.

Moreover, the company was actively working on ways to scale it up into being able to reliably verify many more people before Musk bought it.

Now all that is gone, and a blue check means nothing to other users of the platform other than as a sign that the holder is paying for premium features. It's no longer a trustworthy verification mechanism.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by fud101 »

I finally just caved and joined twitter. I've done it a few times before but this time it was surprisingly pleasant. Was able to use my google account and see posts. I find it refreshing. I don't know why we thought Musk ruined twitter (maybe he did) but as a user I am actually on board with whatever he did since I could never get into twitter in the past.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by greentxt »

khafra wrote: post #414
epolanski wrote: post #378

Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

On Twitter I get to see interactions between the people that built games I played as a kid, famous actors, Nobel prize winners, heads of state, and authors I had assumed died decades ago. If I write something insightful and relevant enough, I might get a gesture of appreciation from a FAANG research director, a prominent philosopher, or just someone who writes the funniest aphorisms I've ever seen. It's toxic in some…

Usenet was better in every way. We could go back, with little friction, and everything would be better. Oh, but you can't sell ads.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by brodouevencode »

epolanski wrote: post #378

Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

> Reddit

Reddit is the center of toxicity. One dissenting opinion and mods banish you.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by bigpoppa804 »

epolanski wrote: post #447
bondarchuk wrote: post #436

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All social media is bad, except for the ones you personally use? If it's about discussing pseudo/anonymously, you can do that on other plaforms too, right?

You can't possibly miss the huge difference between a discussion board and doom scrolling machines.

Hackernews is just as much of an echo chamber as any other social media, dinner mistake it matching you're biases as it not having any

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by seanw444 »

baggachipz wrote: post #430
dom96 wrote: post #400

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I have stayed away from it for a while, but after my partner switched over to it I decided to delve deeper into it. The openess of Bluesky to developers is a breath of fresh air and the platform itself has some really great features. So I guess you can say I'm a fan now too. I was also able to create an app on Bluesky that grew to 15k users in less than a month[1]. The Bluesky team was really open to helping me with…

I don't know how long you've been in the space, so forgive me if I seem condescending. Twitter and Facebook used to be extremely open and encouraging to developers. That's how they gained prominence, by allowing... nay, incentivizing developers to use their platform. Once they hit critical mass, that was all unceremoniously ripped away. Assuming a for-profit venture like Bluesky gains critical mass, it will absolutel…

An inevitability, unfortunately.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by swed420 »

dartos wrote: post #212
swed420 wrote: post #96

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> Some choices are just convenience. > Most people don’t know they’re limiting their interaction. Sure, but they often carry political implications (even if the choice/chooser was unconscious of them) > Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it’s just because it’s the default app on their phone. That's not the best example to make your point considering many peopl…

> by using platform Y instead of Z does not exempt one from being political That’s… exactly what I was saying with “ any platform that uses decentralization as a selling point is inherently political”…

Yes, but you implied (intentionally or not) the inverse is not true, which is the point I'm making.

Any platform that uses "not decentralized" as a selling point is also political. The inverse of Political Thing is still political.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by meowster »

poincaredisk wrote: post #365
meowster wrote: post #169

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At least 6 with my not-that-common (maybe somewhere in the middle) first and last name combination. Maybe more, but at least six of the emails meant for others that I've received, implied they live at those six unique locations. I know one of them likes to get the vegetarian meal option when traveling internationally by plane. (Companies should really validate email address OWNERSHIP before spamming innocent people.)

Are you sure they were confused people? More probable explanation is that they made typos while entering their email. The alternative explanation, that they roitinely use [your name].[your last name]@gmail.com as their email, and don't realize that it never works is... unlikely IMO.

One of the emails had a phone number for the intended recipient, so I called. It was an old person who was definitely confused.

I can easily imagine there are a bunch of older people who do not have email addresses, yet just about everything requires an email address, even if it's not necessary for whatever service, so people have to either make up an address, or incorrectly remember what the address was that their children or grandchildren set up for them.

Either way, that doesn't excuse the companies that spam innocent people.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by LittleTimothy »

rors wrote: post #371
LittleTimothy wrote: post #358

I think the entire attitude of the author coming in to this is wrong. It's zero sum. It's an assumption that you're either gaining from the platform or the platform is gaining from you. This is wrong. The platform has network effects that make everyone well off. Google owns Youtube, yes it gets enormous value from creating/owning the platform. But Youtube isn't exploiting Mr Beast, Mr Beast also gains enormous value…

The value of content creators on YouTube will follow a power law distribution. There will be a very small number of hugely profitable creators and a vast sea of people who do ok. This power law distribution makes YouTube very different to setting up a physical retail store in London. Even if I do well with my shop, I won't outperform my neighbour 1000x. If anything Mr Beast is an argument for not using YouTube. Alpha…

Again you've gone straight back to zero sum thinking. There's no reason Alphabet keeping Mr Beast happy has to be bad for you! It might be good for you! It might be - in fact it almost certainly is true - that the changes that Mr Beast gets youtube to make might be good for everyone.

The network effects of the platform are massive. 90% of that surplus can go to Alphabet and it still be a good deal for average creators. Mr Beast, you, me anyone can go and rent a server tomorrow and start serving their own videos. People still choose to go to youtube because there's just so much surplus value there.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by nemo44x »

fud101 wrote: post #462

I finally just caved and joined twitter. I've done it a few times before but this time it was surprisingly pleasant. Was able to use my google account and see posts. I find it refreshing. I don't know why we thought Musk ruined twitter (maybe he did) but as a user I am actually on board with whatever he did since I could never get into twitter in the past.

Yeah Twitter/X has been great since many of the scolds and hall monitors were chased away. There's open discussions from all sides, even the more unsavory ones, and the communities that were not propped up by the scolds and hall monitors are as vibrant as ever. It's not perfect but I think more people feel comfortable posting there now and can speak frankly and openly.

A few accounts I liked left but I guess I don't really miss them as new accounts have filled their space. It could also be the communities I use Twitter for weren't affected by the culture change at Twitter.

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