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Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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I didn't paraphrase, I put the exact quote[1] I had copied earlier from goodreads in google and got garbage. I use only local LLM's, So if anyone has Open AI's search tools give it a shot. [1] "Few hundred years of Western society that we have lost the ability to memorise vast amounts of information." ― Lynne Kelly, Memory Craft: Improve your memory using the most powerful methods from around the world

Interestingly: - Bing: Goodreads is third result - DDG: Paywalled NZ Herald article appears to be the only result. Of course what you've really uncovered is that Google search is the only thing that respects robots.txt: https://www.goodreads.com/robots.txt

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Let me guess: One Must Fall 2097 or FX Fighter?

One must fall was AMAZING! It had so much character and satisfying feedback in it! (Or this is how I remember it)

No, it was beyond amazing. Both the pilots and robots had a distinct character and a history behind them, and some combinations just seemed a better git than others. Like I can't imagine the kickboxer Milano piloting anything else besides a Jaguar or maybe a Shadow. I also liked how after every match, you got a news report with highlights of your match, with "screenshots" showing key moments - not sure how they managed to do that in an old DOS game - nothing short of genius IMO. I can't think of any other game which has this feature.

The manual included with the game was also a very interesting and fun read - full of humor and quips about the game devs - even including a humorous piece on the main developer's baby daughter. Reading the manual made the game and the game devs feel so much more alive. I haven't played OMF in decades, yet I still remember most of their names - Rob Elam, Ryan Elam, the genius music composer Kenny Chou[1] and not to forget the baby, Bethany Kay Elam. Till date I wonder what she's is up to, and whether she's gotten over her habit of slobbering over the keyboard...

Personally, for me, OMF2097 was the definitive fighting game of all time. It's a pity that almost no one ever thinks of it, it's always either Tekken, Street Fighter, or MK. All great games, mind you, but they're nothing like OMF.

[1] Kenny Chou uploaded a remake of the OMF theme song a while ago, in case you weren't aware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvlVaQl7kEk

Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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I didn't paraphrase, I put the exact quote[1] I had copied earlier from goodreads in google and got garbage. I use only local LLM's, So if anyone has Open AI's search tools give it a shot. [1] "Few hundred years of Western society that we have lost the ability to memorise vast amounts of information." ― Lynne Kelly, Memory Craft: Improve your memory using the most powerful methods from around the world

Interestingly: - Bing: Goodreads is third result - DDG: Paywalled NZ Herald article appears to be the only result. Of course what you've really uncovered is that Google search is the only thing that respects robots.txt: https://www.goodreads.com/robots.txt

No, you've uncovered that.

I gave a thought on whether this could be some copyright issue with Amazon but didn't bother to check the robots.txt file, nicely done!

Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Don't bet on AI staying clean. A lot of HN readers conceptualize the forces attacking the integrity of the search results as just some isolated people taking occasional potshots, and then maybe slinking away if their trick gets blocked. It is probably a lot more accurate to visualize the SEO industry as a Dark Google. Roughly as well resourced, with many smart people working on it full time, day in, day out, with inf…

Dark Google isn't a new thing. Isn't even an Internet thing. It's the very same cancerous growth on society that's been ruining every single communication medium we invented, the disease that's the answer to "why X sucks?" for any X. Advertising industry . I wish I knew what it would take for people to stop treating the unholy blend of marketing communications as respectable occupation, and consider it for what it is…

Devs always complain about advertising, but it's why devs tend to do much better comparatively to other jobs in same region. Without distribution mechanisms, there are no sales, without sales, there are no well paid jobs, and eventually no jobs at all.

Similar can be said about almost any other job, except the well-paid part.

Look at the world before advertising. Everything had to be local small scale only. So everything was very expensive, because no large-scale manufacturing effectivity and massive discounting on end product. Lot of technology isn't even possible on small scale.

Nothing worse than salty uneducated devs that think they understand how world works, just because they know how to code, but know nothing about history, economy, business and marketing.

I don't like intrusive advertising either. Nobody says that it has to be pushed to the most extreme level possible for it to maintain the benefits. Not even remotely. I also use agressive adblock, I don't react to ads in Google or YouTube, because they tend to be bad and completely non-relevant. I occasionaly react to Instagram ads though, for example. I bought products off Instagram ads and I am glad for it.

Some way to promote your product to consumers is extremely valuable and healthy to the modern world. Unless you want to separate yourself from it and become a self-sufficient small community oriented society, like Mormons.

The idea of virality and "build great product and they will come" has to be the stupidest crap devs tend to believe. It only works briefly in the early stage within the new market category. 99.9% of world'S products are in mature stage, and those beliefs will get you bankrupt. World needs advertising. New startup founders of great valuable products need advertising. You can notice that those that understand that, succeed vastly more often.

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Libraries are?

I meant journalistic institutions. Libraries themselves are a special thing - they've been invented before intellectual property was a thing, and have been attacked by IP proponents ever since. In this way, they're very much like LLMs , and many of the arguments against LLMs trained on copyrighted material apply just as much to public libraries. Oh the irony.

Wow, what a connection you've made here. I never made this connection, but you're right.

I've occasionally thought to myself "once an idea is created it wants to be free," but in the back of my mind I've always had some sympathy for artist of any medium trying to profit off their talents or anyone trying to create anything and profit from their efforts.

The library comparison is notable, but a library has a limited, physical nature. They can only hold a finite amount of books, while anything digital can be replicated indefinitely.

Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't paraphrase, I put the exact quote[1] I had copied earlier from goodreads in google and got garbage. I use only local LLM's, So if anyone has Open AI's search tools give it a shot. [1] "Few hundred years of Western society that we have lost the ability to memorise vast amounts of information." ― Lynne Kelly, Memory Craft: Improve your memory using the most powerful methods from around the world

Interestingly: - Bing: Goodreads is third result - DDG: Paywalled NZ Herald article appears to be the only result. Of course what you've really uncovered is that Google search is the only thing that respects robots.txt: https://www.goodreads.com/robots.txt

The robots.txt does not prevent Google from scraping the quote page, which is the one that matches for me:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11541816-few-hundred-years-...

The robots.txt seems to exclude things which are genuinely useful to exclude, like RSS feeds.

Re: Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…

> google has failed in delivering the core value prop of their product

They have long since been riding the downhill slope of the enshittification curve, so the 'core value prop' is advertising now, which I submit they've been delivering.

Google isn't for you or me, it's for Google.

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> At this point I'd be much more interested to hear which "unicorn" tech company did not have such a honeymoon period which it later turned away from Doctolib in France (and Italy, Germany, Netherlands) is one such example. Founded in 2013 so decent life, still as good as in the beginning for both consumers (people booking healthcare appointments) and the customers (doctors paying to use it for their appointment mana…

Only criticism is that they've made it increasingly hard to book a doctor appointment for people who don't have a carte vital.

How so? Is a social security number a prerequisite for booking appointments?

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I don’t think absolute numbers are very useful here. You need around 5–10% reduction in calorie intake to get any weight-loss effect going, and I wouldn’t reduce by more than 20% (relative to weight-maintaining intake — it’s different if you’ve been seriously overeating) if you want it to be sustainable longer-term. So for example if your weight is stable at 2500 kcal per day, I would start by reducing the intake by…

Your body will get more efficient at whatever exercise you do to make the calories work out. So over time you’ll either have to increase your exercise or rein in the calories a bit more to achieve a sustained result.

That is assuming that you do any exercise. But yes, and the method I linked to explains how to handle any such variation in calorie expenditure regardless of its cause.
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