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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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> My point is that these rich bastards are playing by the rules the American citizens set up. Mmmmmmm.... yes and no? Like it's cliche to blame everything on Reagan but the number of modern social ills that can be directly traced to the Reagan admin and the political movement behind it really does baffle the mind. Ills such as, for example: - The deregulation of corporate finances, that permits the massive stock buyb…

That is very close to my point. It is very easy to focus on a shady cabal and ignore the plurality of our countrymen that actively think and want something different. It is like there is a deep denial that real humans often want something different, and that we are forced to share a democratic society with them, which means losing on issues where we think we are right.

So should we as “real humans” also set up our own lobbying channels in Washington? Or are there some problems that make that somewhat unfeasible for us “real humans”?

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Do a search for 'UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients' and see what comes up. I'm not saying this is deserved, more that I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to just up and execute an insurance CEO.

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Nobody was killed because an AI product was inaccurate. If this was indeed the reason, this CEO was killed for killing someone's family member by denying them healthcare.

You're not expected to have a faultless AI but you're expected to supervise it, to have an appeal process, and to make things right when AI makes mistakes. In other words, this is a "high risk system" under the EU AI Act, which should have appropriate safeguards in place.

> Human oversight shall aim to prevent or minimise the risks to health, safety or fundamental rights that may emerge when a high-risk AI system is used in accordance with its intended purpose or under conditions of reasonably foreseeable misuse, in particular where such risks persist despite the application of other requirements set out in this Section.

https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/14/

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Yea I saw that, but in the affidavit, it claimed he broke the rule that wasn't in effect yet. "Well he did other stuff," true or not, is kinda hand wavy. They weren't wearing body cams which is required by law. They could have pulled him over, it was a sloppy raid by a sloppy agency who didn't even follow the law themselves. Apparently the lie, was that he stated on the forms was he answered yes on the question regar…

I have so much disdain for these organizations.. there's a really important debate to be had about the role of firearms and firearm laws and overzealous Federal agents, but the NRA/SAF aren't interested in honest debate, they're just fear-mongering ghouls pumping out bullshit to fundraise off of. I looked into the Fincher case, and it's another case that SAF is basically just lying about. They can run these insane he…

>It looks like the Feds caught onto that and then had a CI do a controlled buy where Fincher was told the purchaser was a felon, and Fincher didn't give a shit and illegally sold him ammo anyways.

Looks like he sold him ammunition, not firearms. I'll look into it more.

I agree though, the propaganda machines are going full bore.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Single payer literally meant that all citizens are subscribed to the same government operated health insurance. If the entire "single payer" program was completely optional and offered at cost, they totally missed the messaging on that one, because I was paying attention and that wasnt my take away.

> Single payer literally meant that all citizens are subscribed to the same government operated health insurance. Correct, but that's a pretty big change from the propaganda you repeated in your previous comment. What you said was, "This was discussed briefly during the Obama healthcare debates, but broadly rejected by left who wanted to eliminate private options." In another now-deleted comment, you also said, "the…

In all fairness, Bernie Sanders did want to eliminate private insurance under his medicare for all proposal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/health/private-health-ins...

Warren and DeBlasio also signaled they would abolish private insurance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTecufx8Sk

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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There's an ongoing "all the big liberal cities are scary" vibe in much media that's been internalized by a large proportion of the population. I know multiple people (and have myself experienced this) who've been greeted with warnings and concern from relatives when traveling to major cities... when those cities have violent crime rates far lower than the places they/we live. Like, a fifth as much or lower. It's stil…

As someone who lived in NYC all the way from the early 80s up until 2 years ago and still has to travel there regularly for business, NYC is a lot closer to how it was in the mid-80s than any other point during that period. Especially post-9/11 up until COVID it was practically Disneyland. You had little chance of being a victim of random crime in the vast majority of city neighborhoods or on the subway. That's certa…

people in your neighborhood leave garage doors open overnight? never heard of this. seems like you'd want to keep wildlife out at minimum.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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I know you are half-joking, but it shows how worrying things are related to public discourse where you need such a disclaimer at the start of your argument. The scenario you describe is rather frightening. Let's hope the "CEO class" (for lack of a better term) and the general public will allow reason and ethics to win out. One thing that is for certain, there should be better legal limits to what companies can get aw…

>Let's hope the "CEO class"... will allow reason and ethics to win out. They won't. They're making billions out of others suffering. >general public will allow reason and ethics to win out "Ethics". It's a trolley problem... if a person through their actions enables many people to die, is it wrong to kill them? To paraphrase Chris Rock... I ain't saying he should have killed him... But I understand.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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I think a main root cause of high insurance costs is failure of govt to break up health company monopolies and other impediments to a competitive marketplace like no individual mandate which should make it hard for smaller players to take on risk that they can afford to manage.

wrong take, companies started consolidated right after ACA passed. It was less concentrated industry before the ACA. the fundamental reason is as usual: too much government regulation that was erected with good intentions, but ended up becoming a competitive Moat that reduced the competition and entrenched big players. With that amount of regulation healthcare should be universal like in Canada or UK. To maintain pri…

>too much government regulation that was erected with good intentions, but ended up becoming a competitive Moat that reduced the competition and entrenched big players.

While I agree with this, that regulations are often championed and even written by entrenched companies to increase the barrier to entry, the government can sue to block any merger they deem a harm to competition. Unfortunately they choose not to.

AI is a good example of this. If the government regulated AI, the only companies who will control and profit from AI are the ones who already have it.

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See "cyberpunk", Gibson et al. The rich will isolate themselves further behind even more surveillance technology, more physical barriers, and, because that is never enough, inordinate amounts of paid thugs.

Not so fast, probably just killer bots…thugs are screwed too

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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I advocate for the fairer distribution of wealth in society. Not only because it's fair but because it's better for everyone . There are many reasons for this including avoiding the alienation of labor and giving people dignity. All it takes is the ultra-wealthy to have slightly less wealth . So why is wealth concentration bad for society apart from that? Because the ultimate form of wealth distribution is war and re…

I have the same thoughts especially thinking how we’re on the precipice of possible mass workforce displacement from ai and robots like waymo. What I just can’t understand is why anyone would feel satisfied being the billionaire in a bunker among miles of slums (picturing India) - even if the desperate folks are successfully oppressed.

A bunker is just a prison with amenities.
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