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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ANewFormation wrote: post #447
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #410

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> Assad had majority approval prior to the war (can't find any more recent adversarial polls, which may be telling) and his family has been in power for decades "Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war" is not 55% approval rating, it's 55% making the pragmatic choice against civil war. > maintaining power without relatively widespread support is quite difficult Strange claim in a thread…

So protestors, and other politicians, rejected his claim of martial law - it's now over, and he will likely be arrested. Seems there yet remains more to power than titles and declarations.

> he will likely be arrested

He hasn't done anything illegal. Being asked to resign or forced to by impeachment are more likely.

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Post by MrMcCall »

bluGill wrote: post #455
JoshTriplett wrote: post #136

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> If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it. This is false and excessively cynical. There are genuinely good people who have values and live up to those values, without hypocrisy, and that doesn't mean they have "carefully suppressed" desires to do otherwise.

They have desires all the time. Most of them will admit it. their actions prove their success at the suppression.

The Path of Love begins with exercising our free will to choose to not be a selfish ahole. Suppression of our selfish urges is the first step to fully overcoming them, which is the process of purifying one's soul and, therefore, even the potential to vice.

"Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God."

That is the highest point of human self-evolution, though precious few even attempt it, much less recognize a person who has done so. And so few believe it to be possible that even those of us who try are in a small minority.

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Post by rightbyte »

NickC25 wrote: post #372
aurareturn wrote: post #343

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I don't see why the need for advanced chips would prevent China from using its military on Taiwan. If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force. If China can't get their hands on the most advanced TSMC chips, then why would they let the US do so and get too far ahead in AI? Both can't have them then.

If China so much as touches Taiwan, all the TSMC fabs will explode. They are all already rigged to do so. The Taiwanese will burn their island to the ground before they let the CCP get their hands on Taiwan.

Really? Seems like a way to make it really low effort to decrease competition by industrial harakiri.

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Post by rsynnott »

llm_trw wrote: post #140
sidewndr46 wrote: post #128

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Sure, but I seem to recall the leader of the last republic was De Gaulle. The first leader of the current republic was also De Gaulle. It was just him consolidating his political base.

It was France avoiding the Spanish Civil war.

The... secret Spanish Civil War that happened in 1958?

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Post by notahacker »

kijin wrote: post #441
cassepipe wrote: post #435

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Last time I checked, access to the national assembly palace was being blocked : https://bsky.app/profile/sung-il-kim.com/post/3lcfskluuwc26 Any idea how and why it was unblocked ? Anyone with more context ? EDIT: This is the first I cannot think of any reason for getting a downvote... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The police kept the protesters out, but eventually let in most members of the national assembly and their staff after checking their ID. Martial law is about using the military to control civilian activities. The police are civilian. Their order is to maintain peace, not to interfere with people who have legitimate business at the facility. If Yoon really wanted to preempt the national assembly, he should have sent i…

There are reports and photos of actual troops in the building, and reports and photos of people who definitely don't look like civilian police leaving the building. I think the bigger problem with attempting to preempt the national assembly is that the troops didn't particularly want to interfere with people that had legitimate business at the assembly either.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #457
SauciestGNU wrote: post #439

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Seems like everybody's staking out all-in positions here. Those military officials are certainly aware of what generally happens to perpetrators of failed coups.

> Those military officials are certainly aware of what generally happens to perpetrators of failed coups. They're following the law. The Constitution obligates the President to lift martial law after the National Assembly nullifies it.

The question is then what the Constitution says about a president who fails to execute his constitutional obligations, such as lifting martial law once it is nullified. Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations or a faster solution.

I don't even know if there is a faster route than impeachment in the US system.

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Post by majesticglue »

sofixa wrote: post #324
dmix wrote: post #309

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There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.

[flagged]

Someone's been watching too much Western Media propaganda

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JoshTriplett »

bluGill wrote: post #455
JoshTriplett wrote: post #136

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> If it isn't in you it means you are carefully suppressing it. This is false and excessively cynical. There are genuinely good people who have values and live up to those values, without hypocrisy, and that doesn't mean they have "carefully suppressed" desires to do otherwise.

They have desires all the time. Most of them will admit it. their actions prove their success at the suppression.

Of course people have desires. My point is that some people have their desires and their values aligned, rather than having desires that run contrary to their values. No "suppression" required.

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Post by dyauspitr »

zelon88 wrote: post #355
dyauspitr wrote: post #290

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The paradox is; Society should benefit everyone equally. If it doesn't, then the ones who are not benefiting have a social responsibility to adjust it until it does. By hook or by crook, for better or worse. Equity is usually pretty difficult to swallow for those who are benefiting inequitably. But the thing is, if it's not working for everyone, it isn't working at all and it should probably be broken the rest of the…

This is presumptively assuming that being a homemaker is an objectively “worse” position. I think a lot of women would disagree with that position, possibly the majority. Equity cannot mean that everyone works in an office, it should also mean that women that want to stay at home should be able to without being forced into a corporate world by the economy/circumstances.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #466
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those military officials are certainly aware of what generally happens to perpetrators of failed coups. They're following the law. The Constitution obligates the President to lift martial law after the National Assembly nullifies it.

The question is then what the Constitution says about a president who fails to execute his constitutional obligations, such as lifting martial law once it is nullified. Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations or a faster solution. I don't even know if there is a faster route than impeachment in the US system.

> Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations

There's an impeachment process. Creating a separate, faster one for constitutional violations is just inviting trouble.

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