Farmer here. Attacks on agriculture have historically lead to famines.
Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#462I've seen a bit of confusion regarding this. First, it's 10% of Denmark's total land area, which is roughly equivalent to 15% of farmland area. Second, the conversion of farmland area into nature and forests is mainly for improving water quality, as excess nitrogen from agriculture has essentially killed the rivers and coastal waters through oxygen depletion from algae. Regarding global warming and CO2, the area conv…
Confusion? I skimmed the headline and saw that they were planting "eighteen" trees. We need better fonts.
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
Denmark has a population of 5.8 million and currently produces enough to feed 15 million. There’s no need for imports because of 15% less farmland. Besides, all this export only contributes about 1% of GDP. So it’s not economically important either. One can even argue that the reduction in environmental and climate impact will create room for other industries that already are carbon-taxed.
1. Agriculture is not a machine like consistent harvest giver, especially with more climate change (that’ll happen regardless of emission slowdown), it is good to have produce enough to feed 5.8(=6 million approx), a bad harvest can bring that 15 million down to 7 million very fast. 2. All produce is not of same quality, 15 million people’s produce will probably only produce 11-12 million produce that is marketable i…
Denmark does not have to stand alone thanks to the EU.
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
That concern has already been discussed https://www.regeringen.dk/media/13261/aftale-om-et-groent-da...
The Uyghurs slaves making your iPhone are grateful that you discussed how much better off the world is. Some serious "but who will pick the cotton vibes".
I think you're replying to the wrong comment? The article linked talks about how less area is needed for farming due to higher crop yields
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
1.6% is the change in the CPI. The actual inflation is about 8%. There was a huge change in the CPI in 2022 or 2023, mostly attributed to sharply higher cost of energy.
I don't think you understand the numbers I listed. Read what I wrote again and try to think about the parts you don't understand, look them up, then read again.
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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
Carbon taxes are by far the most effective way to get down CO₂ emissions. But I'm doubtful that implementing them only for one industry in one small country is very helpful.
I disagree, carbon taxes seem to be the best way to ensure your country starts to outsource all of it's carbon producing activity to less developed countries who do a worse job containing their emissions. This has been happening in europe for quite some time with the manufacturing of their wind turbines iirc. It's a super carbon heavy emission to produce them, so the europeans have them made elsewhere to make it look…
A carbon tax needs to be global to fully work, for reasons like this.
That is of course impossible, so there is some tension there :)
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#467That will be interesting experiment. 1) A growing population require food. 2) Their agricultural sector is a major contributor to their economy, not only farmers but everything around it involves a lot of people and businesses. 3) Many countries rely on Danish agricultural exports (it's massive) to ensure people have food.
> A growing population require food. Sure, but Europe's not growing. It is purely in "shrink forever" mode. This is easily measured, any time fertility drops below 2.1 that's what happens. But ignore that a moment, what if you wanted to depopulate Europe? This might be a good policy for that. Get the timing just right, and it's not even a genocide... food shortages that don't starve anyone just encourages the last fe…
Have past instances of 2.1 fertility also had increased lifespan and immigration?
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Agriculture is not a machine like consistent harvest giver, especially with more climate change (that’ll happen regardless of emission slowdown), it is good to have produce enough to feed 5.8(=6 million approx), a bad harvest can bring that 15 million down to 7 million very fast. 2. All produce is not of same quality, 15 million people’s produce will probably only produce 11-12 million produce that is marketable i…
Denmark does not have to stand alone thanks to the EU.
That may change in the future if the populist parties gain more traction in the eastern EU.
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#469From https://cphpost.dk/2024-11-22/news/round-up/we-are-in-crisis... "Danish Crown, one of Denmark’s largest Danish meat producer, is facing significant financial challenges as pig deliveries to its processing plants have dropped in the 2023/24 financial year."
Good.
What good is thousands losing their jobs?
Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest
#470Incidentally this is one of the approaches described in Kim Robinson's The Ministry for the Future, a novel on climate change (more about the political ramifications of it than the ecological impacts). Interesting read.
IIRC in Ministry for the Future it was 50% of all land was reserved. 10% is a good start though for conservation efforts.
It was 50% in places like Canada where they are already close to that figure, plus some parts in the Western US where to set up Migration corridors without mass relocations (mostly nearly abandoned rural hamlets where the young people had moved away anyway).