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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

Conversely, I have no doubt that Lithuania's armed forces have learned from Ukraine's experience: those Russian tanks would all be destroyed within the first few kilometers. ...and that assumes Russia still has enough tanks to even mount an offensive, in sufficient numbers to capture several capital cities, belonging to nations with a fearsome grudge against them. (Three years ago, I would have fully agreed with your…

yes. That is why Russia hasn't yet moved, and still looking for a way to do it. Russia is deliberately stuck in the past where for example the "War scare of 1927" laid ground and provided the excuse for the militarization of and repressions in USSR and ultimately to the USSR starting WWII together with and as ally of Hitler. And the first thing USSR did back then in 1939 was the "solution" of the perceived issues of the 1927 (the issues which there for the last several centuries) - Finland, Poland and the Baltic states. If you look at the current Russian TV, chats, etc. - their thinking and perception are the same as back then. For them it isn't an issue of whether to do it, it is an issue of how to do it. It took 12 years from 1927 to 1939 during which the country got prepared for the war, at least how they perceived the necessary preparations - in particular it was industrialized and the society was militarized and put completely under dictatorship, and i think we see that today too.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.

Make them pay dearly every time there's even reasonable suspicion that Russia has messed with Western/NATO technological infrastructure. That we still have oligarchs and bratva members walking around on NATO soil in the open this far into things is insane.

What do you mean "pay dearly" Not more violence I hope...

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/12/11/afghanistan-papers-detai...

Imagine if every bad thing USA did... people want USA to "pay dearly"...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.

yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

Oh no, if only radio/emergency broadcast television/satellite/alternative cable routes/contingency plans had been invented!

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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There is strong circumstantial evidence ( https://www.politico.eu/article/balticconnector-damage-likel... ) and an open Estonian investigation. None of us know whether or not there is direct evidence that has not been made public.

So no evidence then at all. It's just speculation.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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No we do not. Saying it with "confidence" and "authority" doesn't make true either.

Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...

The article's only sources are "people familiar with the operation". That's a heck of a lot to take on trust, particularly considering the increasingly disjointed relationship between Ukraine and the US, and the increasingly evident reach of the Kremlin's intelligence services and supporting propaganda machinery.

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Don’t trust the Je… eh, Russians. I’m not sure whether you are serious with that xenophobic comment.

Don’t trust the Russians has been safe doctrine in europe for several decades.

Bandit state.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…

* The Chinese / Russian owned what left Kaliningrad?

* Which pipeline?

* Last year (2023), not 2022?

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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post #424

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yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…

Oh no, if only radio/emergency broadcast television/satellite/alternative cable routes/contingency plans had been invented!

We can look at October 7th in Israel how long, with all the communications and infrastructure working, it took to organize defense in a very technologically developed country which basically had been living in the state of war readiness. Now add broken significant communications, chaos of non-working banks/ATMs, power shut-offs, clogged highways, etc. (don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that Russia can do all that, i'm saying that Russia is actively working on those capabilities, and whether they achieve it to the needed extent is the key to how the events would go in the near future)

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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> What exactly would "properly" arming Ukraine look like? More long-range offensive weapons and clearance to hit sites in Russia. Let Israel know that we wouldn't mind them taking out the Iranian drone factories supplying Russia.

Even the pentagons own assessments say this won’t make much difference.

The Pentagon made a number of flawed assessments, each one upended by Ukraine's determined actions.

And let's use some Feynman-style common sense: taking out airfields, ammunition depots, and logistics WILL help Ukraine's defense immensely.

I would go further and question which clowns are running the show in the Pentagon, but maybe I should keep my cool over that matter.

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