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Post by immibis »

eqvinox wrote: post #425
criddell wrote: post #418

I watched on an AppleTV and the stream was rock solid. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but in the past some devices worked better than others during peak times because they used different bandwidth providers. This was the battle between Comcast and Cogent and Netflix.

Your device type has no influence on your provider and its bandwidth characteristics. If you're on Comcast, Apple can't magically make it not suck.

If you're on Apple, Comcast can make it magically not suck. Not sure if it's relevant though.

Cogent just seems to love picking fights with everyone (see Hurricane Electric). Why are they still in business?

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Post by colesantiago »

immibis wrote: post #436
Loughla wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

You've never worked in a startup have you? Or any business for that matter. You have to promise something first, then build it.

No joke, is this actually true?

Do startups really do this? I thought the capability is built or nearly built or at least in testing already with reasonable or amazing results, THEN they go to market?

Do startups go to other startups, fortune 500 companies and public companies to make false promises with or without due diligence and sign deals with the knowledge that the team and engineers know the product doesn't have the feature in place at all?

In other words:

Company A: "We can provide web scale live streaming service around the world to 10 billion humans across the planet, even the bots will be watching."

Company B: "OK, sounds good, Yes, here is a $2B contract."

Company A: "Now team I know we don't have the capability, but how do we build, test and ship this in under 6 months???"

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by parpfish »

silisili wrote: post #285
cultofmetatron wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our engineers are fucking morons. I interviewed at Netflix a few years ago; with several of their engineers. One thing I cannot say is that they are morons. their interview process is top notch too and while I was ultimately rejected, I used their format as the base template for how I started hiring at my company.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but you typically use your A players for hiring/interviews. It can be both true that Netflix has God tier talent and a bunch of idiots. In fact, that's probably true of most places. I guess the ratio matters more.

oR god tier talent and a bunch of other god tier talent that decided to coast and cash their fat checks

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by pilotneko »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #459
Loughla wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

Execs never listen or even ask engineers about feasibility of projects they sign up to. Hope the exec in question will be let go.

I mean, the ones that do ask don’t proceed to signing up. I think we are seeing a form of survival bias.

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Post by tiluha »

phyrex wrote: post #454
diggan wrote: post #444

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> People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure thing, but also, how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event? If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) across the globe without major hiccups on (relatively) tiny budgets and smaller infrastructure overall, how could Netflix not?

Scale changes everything, I don't think it's fair to shrug this off

This is true, but scale comes after production. Once you have the video encoded on a server with a stable connection the hard part is over. What netflix failed to do is spread the files to enough servers around the globe to handle the load. I'm surprised they were unable(?) to use their network of edge servers to handle the live stream. Just run the stream with a 10 second delay and in that time push the stream segments to the edge server

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by diggan »

phyrex wrote: post #454
diggan wrote: post #444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure thing, but also, how much resources do you think Netflix threw on this event? If organizations like FOSSDEM and CCC can do live events (although with way smaller viewership) across the globe without major hiccups on (relatively) tiny budgets and smaller infrastructure overall, how could Netflix not?

Scale changes everything, I don't think it's fair to shrug this off

Yeah, I agree with this, especially the everything part. Netflix isn't exactly a scrappy FOSS/hackers organization or similar.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

colesantiago wrote: post #462
immibis wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've never worked in a startup have you? Or any business for that matter. You have to promise something first, then build it.

No joke, is this actually true? Do startups really do this? I thought the capability is built or nearly built or at least in testing already with reasonable or amazing results, THEN they go to market? Do startups go to other startups, fortune 500 companies and public companies to make false promises with or without due diligence and sign deals with the knowledge that the team and engineers know the product doesn't ha…

Many do, as far as initial investment goes. It makes sense when you think about the capital intensive nature of most startups (including more than web startups here, e.g. lab tech commercialization). It also accurately describes a research grant.

That's for startups that can't bootstrap (most of them). For ones which can, they may still choose to do this with customers, as you describe, because it means letting their work follow the money.

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Post by npilk »

nightowl_games wrote: post #407

How is this story not on the front page anymore? 375 comments. Seems like a big story to me.

I believe HN's algorithm tends to relatively downrank stories with a high comment-to-upvote ratio, because they are more often flamewars on divisive topics.

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Post by tylerchilds »

jeromegv wrote: post #47
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

Not the same demographic but their last large attempt at live was through a Love is blind reunion. It was the same thing, millions of people logging in, epic failure, nothing worked. They never tried to do a live reunion again. I suppose they should have to get the experience. Because they are hitting the same problems with a much bigger stake event.

this is false, the tom brady roast was live streamed

yes, love is blind failed, but was definitely not the most recent attempt. they did some other golf thing too, iirc

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