imho code that is written by AI is code that is not worth having.
Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
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Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
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Most programming is trivial. Lots of non-trivial programming tasks can be broken down into pure, trivial sections. Then, the non-trivial part becomes knowing how the entire system fits together. I've been using LLMs for about a month now. It's a nice productivity gain. You do have to read generated code and understand it. Another useful strategy is pasting a buggy function and ask for revisions. I think most programm…
> people who can do it will be high status They don't have high status even today, imagine in a world where they will be seen as just reviewers for AI code...
> They don't have high status even today
Try putting on a dating website that you work at Google vs you work in agriculture and tell us which yielded more dates.
Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
#463I believe it is absolutely suitable for generating controllers in java spring or connecting to database and making a simple query which from my experience as an ordinary enterprise developer in Fintech is most of the job. Making these huge applicatins is a lot of repetitive work and integrations. Not a work that usually requires some advanced logic.
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#464i like how people say that ai can only write "trivial" code well or without mistakes. but what about from the point of view of the AI? writing "trivial" code is probably almost exactly as much of a challenge as writing the most complex code a human could ever write. the scales are not the same. dont allow yourself to feel so safe..
Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
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Most programming is trivial. Lots of non-trivial programming tasks can be broken down into pure, trivial sections. Then, the non-trivial part becomes knowing how the entire system fits together. I've been using LLMs for about a month now. It's a nice productivity gain. You do have to read generated code and understand it. Another useful strategy is pasting a buggy function and ask for revisions. I think most programm…
> Most programming is trivial That's a bold statement, and incorrect, in my opinion. At a junior level software development can be about churning out trivial code in a previously defined box. I don't think its fair to call that 'most programming'.
Think of all the menial stuff you must perform regardless of experience level. E.g. you change the return type of a function and now you have to unpack the results slightly differently. Traditional automated tools fail at this. But if you show some examples to Cursor, it quickly catches on to the pattern and start autocompleting semi-automatically (semi because you still have to put the cursor to the right place but then you can tab, tab, tab…).
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> For teams you can measure meaningful outcomes and improve team metrics. How? Which metrics?
That is what we pay managers -to figure out- for. They should find out which and how by knowing the team, familiarity with domain knowledge, understanding company dynamics, understanding customer, understanding market dynamics.
haha that is not what managers do. Managers follow their KPIs exactly. If their KPIs say they get payed a bonus if profit goes up, then manager does smart number stuff and sees "if we fire 15% of employees this year, my pay goes up 63%" and then that happens
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> The problem is finding people to do it with who care enough to think rigorously > ... > train them, and reject low quality work. I agree very strongly with both of these points. But I've observed a truth about each of them over the last decade-plus of building software. 1) very few people approach the field of software engineering with anything remotely resembling rigor, and 2) there is often little incentive to tr…
> very few people approach the field of software engineering with anything remotely resembling rigor, and I have this one opinion which I would not say at work: In software development it's easy to feel smart because what you made "works" and you can show "effects". - Does it wrap every failable condition in `except Exception`? Uhh, but look, it works . - Does it define a class hierarchy for what should be a dictiona…
The whole one about the stateful blob of an object with all optional attributes got me real good. Been fighting that for years. But the dev that writes this produces code faster than me and understands parts of the system no one else does and doesn't speak great English, so it continues. And the company is still afloat. So who's right in the end? And does it matter?
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These tools also require the developer class to that they are intended to replace to continue to do what they currently do (create the knowledge source to train the AI on). It's not like the AIs are going to be creating the accessible knowledge bases to train AIs on, especially for new language extensions/libraries/etc. This is a one and f'd development. It will give a one time gain and then companies will be shocked…
One of my concerns is that AI may actually slow innovation in software development (tooling, languages, protocols, frameworks and libraries), because the opportunity cost of adopting them will increase, if AI remains unable to be taught new knowledge quickly.
This is my main concern. What's the point of other tools when none of the LLMs have been trained on it and you need to deliver yesterday?
It's an insanely conservative tool
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we've decided we can't be bothered with traditional search Traditional search (at least on the web) is dying. The entire edifice is drowning under a rapidly rising tide of spam and scam sites. No one, including Google, knows what to do about it so we're punting on the whole project and hoping AI will swoop in like deus ex machina and save the day.
AI will generate even more spam and scam sites more trivially.
What do you mean “will”, we are a few years past that point.
Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
#470Everyone here is arguing about the average AI code quality and I'm here just not believing the claim.
Is Google out there monitoring the IDE activity of every engineer, logging the amount of code created, by what, lines, characters, and how it was generated? Dubious.