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Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by sporkland »

bdndndndbve wrote: post #10

The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

I'm definitely of two minds on this topic: 1. I'm getting value out of the current batch of models in the form of accurate Q&A/summaries as well as tweaking or generating clear prose or even useful imagery well beyond what I'd ever considered possible from computers before the last two years. 2. It definitely has limits and can be a struggle to get exactly what I want and the more I try to refine something the worse it gets if the initial answer wasn't perfect.

It really feels like a substantive step forward in terms of computer utility kind of like spreadsheets, databases, apps. We'll see how far it takes us down the line of human replacement though.

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Post by fsefkjln »

bob1029 wrote: post #151

It is clear to me that Sam has never set foot inside of a semiconductor manufacturing facility. Or, if he did he definitely wasn't paying attention to what was going on around him. I don't know how you could witness these things and then make glib statements about building 36 of them. It will likely take well over a decade to recoup investment on any new chip fab at this point. Chasing ~4 customers on one narrow use…

Can anyone provide a time where Sam did not come off as a slimy imposter instead of the tech visionary he would like us all to believe? Literally everything I have read on him dating back years makes him seem like a clueless buffoon who is only in it for the money. Being silver tongued, connected and cunning can make you a lot more money a lot easier than being competent and honest.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by mook »

no_op wrote: post #424
slashdave wrote: post #309

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Only if you think scaling is the solution to AGI, which it almost certainly is not

Demand for compute will skyrocket given AGI even if AGI turns out to be relatively compute-efficient. The ability to translate compute directly into humanlike intelligence simply makes compute much more valuable.

Since AGI isn't here yet, the eventual implementation that breaks through might be based on different technology; for example, if it turns out to need quantum computing, investing lots of money to build out current fabs might turn out useless.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Post by anthomtb »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #3

Based. The more I read about TSMC, the more I like them.

I have always taken both Taiwanese and TSMC culture to be fairly reserved. So if you see language like "podcasting bro" slipping out, it really means something like "fcking bullsht con artist".

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Post by KoolKat23 »

dmix wrote: post #411
TheCondor wrote: post #322

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It’s not snark, our industry is run on fear. If there is the tiniest flicker of potential, we will spend piles of money out of fear of being left behind. As you age, it becomes harder to deny.. 10 years ago, I was starting to believe that my kids would never learn to drive or possibly buy a car, here we are ten years later and not that much has changed, I know you can take a robotaxi in some cities but nearly all int…

That doesn't mean this is a bad investment for VCs. GPT is being directly integrated in iOS and is a top app on both markets. We've also barely scrapped the surface for potential niche applications that go beyond just a generalist chatbox interface. API use will likely continue to explode as the mountain of startups building off it come online. Voice stuff will probably kill off Alexa/Google Home. I don't think the b…

There is a tremendous opportunity in bridging the gap between Can be automated and Isn't automated due to technical/cost/time limitation. GPT's are perfect for this.

There are so many things that can be automated out there that currently aren't. Other industries are extremely manual and process driven still. Many here tend to underestimate this.

Some programmers here will argue it's error prone or creating technical debt but most people don't care, if it works it works, one can worry about it breaking in 5 years time after its saved you considerably time and money.

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Post by charlie0 »

binocarlos wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #20

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There's no accounting for taste, but keep in mind that all of these services are currently losing money, so how much would you actually be willing to pay for the service you're currently getting in order to let it break even? There was a report that Microsoft is losing $20 for every $10 spent on Copilot subscriptions, with heavy users costing them as much as $80 per month. Assuming you're one of those heavy users, wo…

I would pay hundreds of dollars per month for the combination of cursor and claude - I could not get my head around it when my beginner lever colleague said "I just coded this whole thing using cursor". It was an entire web app, with search filters, tree based drag and drop GUIs, the backend api server, database migrations, auth and everything else. Not once did he need to ask me a question. When I asked him "how lon…

Sounds like CRUD boilerplate. Sure, it's great to have AI build this out and it saves a ton of time, but I've yet to see any examples (online or otherwise) or people building complex business rules and feature sets using AI.

The sad part is beginners using the boilerplate code won't get any practice building apps and will completely fail at the complex parts of an app OR try to use AI to build it and it will be terrible code.

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Post by charlie0 »

dizzydes wrote: post #72

Three things that get me about current AI discourse: - The public focus on AGI is almost a distraction. By the time we get to AGI highly-specialised models will have taken jobs from huge swaths of the population, SWE and CS are already in play. - That AI will need to carry out every task a role does to replace it. I see this a lot on HN. What if SWEs get 50% more efficient and they fire half? That's still a gigantic…

Buy stocks and try to own the means of production. Things are going to begin to flatten out in terms of salary or even decrease as competition increases due to productivity gains.

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Post by consteval »

svara wrote: post #423
afavour wrote: post #248

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Waymo is a great example, actually. They serve Phoenix, SF and LA. Those locations aren’t chosen at random, they present a small subset of all the weather and road conditions that humans can handle easily. So yes: handling 100,000 passengers is a milestone. The growth from 10,000 to 100,000 implies it’s going to keep growing exponentially. But eventually they’re going to encounter stuff like Midwest winters that can…

This exchange is a great example of two people arguing about whether the glass is half full or half empty! You're clearly both right, in your own way.

I wouldn't say so, because the cars are not at all autonomous in our understanding of autonomous.

The cars aren't making all their decisions in real-time like a human driver. They, Waymo, meticulously mapped and continue to map every inch of the traversable city. They don't know how to drive, they know how to drive THERE.

It would be like if I went to the DMV to take a driving test. I would fail immediately, because the parking lot is not one I've seen and analyzed before.

"true" self driving is not possible with our current implementation of automobiles. You cannot safely mix automobiles that self-drive with human drivers. And the best solution is to converge towards known routes. We don't even necessarily how to program the routes - we can instead encode them in the road itself.

It might occur to you that I'm speaking about rail. The reality is it's trivial to automate rail systems, but the variables of free-form driving can't be automated.

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Post by consteval »

no_op wrote: post #164
dizzydes wrote: post #72

Three things that get me about current AI discourse: - The public focus on AGI is almost a distraction. By the time we get to AGI highly-specialised models will have taken jobs from huge swaths of the population, SWE and CS are already in play. - That AI will need to carry out every task a role does to replace it. I see this a lot on HN. What if SWEs get 50% more efficient and they fire half? That's still a gigantic…

Non-general AI won't cause mass unemployment, for the same reason previous productivity-enhancing tech hasn't. So long as humans can create valuable output machines can't, the new, higher-output economy will figure out how to employ them. Some won't even have to switch jobs, because demand for what they provide will be higher as AI tools bring down production costs. This is plausible for SWEs. Other people will end u…

> So long as humans can create valuable output machines can't

Not all humans are going to be capable of this as time goes on. Those humans will be subjected to abject poverty.

The reality is not everyone can possess a highly skilled knowledge job. Not everyone can go to college. What of them?

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Post by KoolKat23 »

shriek wrote: post #399
sensanaty wrote: post #202

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I hear it all the time on HN that people are producing entire apps with LLMs, but I just don't believe it. All of my experiences with LLMs have been that for anything that isn't a braindead-simple for loop is just unworkable garbage that takes more effort to fix than if you just wrote it from scratch to begin with. And then you're immediately met with "You're using it wrong!", "You're using the wrong model!", "You're…

Most of the time the entire apps are just a timer app or something simple. Never a complex app with tons of logic in them. And if you're having to write paragraphs of texts to write something complex then might as well just write that in a programming language, I mean isn't that what high-level programming language was built for? (heh). Also, you're not the only one who's had the thought that someone is vested in som…

You can write the high level structure yourself and let it complete the boilerplate code within the functions, where it's less critical/complicated. Can save you time.
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